So if I'm understanding this correctly, Fernando is basically proposing that
the Caribbean area be separated from, and considered as a separate "continental
zone" if you will, from both North & South America, for the purposes of
selected contests.
I think that's an interesting point of view.
If I'm not mistaken, the basic argument is that a station in "continental"
South America, all else being equal, will always "lose" to a station in the
"offshore/island" Caribbean station located within the SA continental
boundaries. In short, even with roughly the same number of QSOs and
multipliers, the points differential gives an overwhelming advantage to the
Caribbean stations.
That may be the case.
However, if such a separation was made, the effect would only be to 'guarantee'
that a continental SA station would always win SA. What I don't see is how
that would ultimately affect the ultimate goal of being "#1 worldwide".
In other words, nothing in his analysis lends me to believe that the net scores
will change if this is implemented. Or am I missing something?
Now, with that in mind... I certainly think an argument could be made for
Central America & Caribbean stations to "compete" against each other in a
"Central America" region, and not as part of NA or SA as they do now. (I'm
not saying it would necessarily be a GOOD idea, just that the argument can be
made... the devil, as always, is in the details). I can also think of good
reasons to maintain the status quo.
But if Fernando's ultimate goal is to give a better chance to winning
recognition as the top dog to these continental stations... I just don't see it.
73, ron w3wn
On 11/08/15, PY2LED - Fernando wrote:
Dear Colleagues, Good day!
I really appreciate all messages sent, each individual point of view,
sharing opinions, suggestions all with education and fully respect.
Join a contest like CQWW and CQWPX continues fine, exciting and I will
always try to participate. Recently we constructed a contest station near
Sao Paulo and we knows very well what's the costs involved and the extras
when we are in islands etc. We are always looking for a plaque, this is our
target and probably from all of us. What a pleasure when we look to the
wall on the near future and see a lot of plaques from main contests
worldwide. We are proud of that.
But of course, in some categories, depending on your location and station
setup, before contest starts, you already know to reach that plaque will not
be possible. Here from Southeast part of Brazil, we know that is not
possible at Multi-Multi, Multi-Two, Multi-Single...we always will loose due
to our distance to the main ham population centers/countries like USA, EU,
Japan in the Low Bands. Ok, we will have our country and continental
competition what's fine. But how to become number one worldwide having the
best antennas, radios, amps, towers, cables, automation, operators etc?
To turn what I'm saying more easy to check and understand, let's please have
a look at the Claimed score from CQWWSSB at Multi Operators categories took
from 3830scores.com (where we can compare up to 5 stations):
Multi-Two:
Totals
160
80
40
20
15
10
Call
Edition
Class
Power
Score
QSOs
Zones
Countries
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
CN2R
2015-Oct 24
M/2
HP
39,368,266
14202
187
744
250
10
49
1513
27
107
2100
35
122
2142
39
156
4162
38
154
4035
38
156
CN3A
2015-Oct 24
M/2
HP
38,007,784
14152
176
725
62
8
45
908
21
94
2178
34
125
3123
38
150
3727
38
152
4154
37
159
PJ4Q
2015-Oct 24
M/2
HP
24,770,768
11247
155
593
63
11
30
504
19
77
1561
28
110
2341
34
131
3323
32
121
3455
31
124
C4A
2015-Oct 24
M/2
HP
21,237,810
8903
166
668
99
8
44
493
15
72
1414
32
114
2087
37
147
2235
38
136
2574
36
155
PX2A
2015-Oct 24
M/2
HP
18,302,109
8847
157
550
0
0
0
45
14
27
425
29
92
1939
37
144
2777
39
141
3661
38
146
Multi-Multi:
Totals
160
80
40
20
15
10
Call
Edition
Class
Power
Score
QSOs
Zones
Countries
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
CN2AA
2015-Oct 24
M/M
HP
74,585,700
23815
207
843
894
21
85
2324
31
117
3597
37
142
5814
39
164
5656
39
169
5530
40
166
HK1NA
2015-Oct 24
M/M
HP
33,727,337
13867
176
657
282
16
54
629
21
80
2029
33
121
3489
37
143
3347
36
135
4030
33
124
K3LR
2015-Oct 24
M/M
HP
32,520,150
12593
195
786
468
19
61
859
27
99
2375
36
137
3377
39
174
3222
40
168
2293
34
147
PJ2T
2015-Oct 24
M/M
HP
29,789,720
13433
165
595
183
14
27
662
70
26
1928
30
107
2900
37
136
3899
34
127
3861
30
122
ZW5B(@PY5EG)
2015-Oct 24
M/M
HP
23,497,290
9972
177
633
4
3
3
127
19
40
914
38
125
2225
39
152
2826
39
158
3876
39
155
Multi-Single HP:
Totals
160
80
40
20
15
10
Call
Edition
Class
Power
Score
QSOs
Zones
Countries
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
EF8R
2015-Oct 24
M/S
HP
33,168,016
11973
183
749
88
11
54
642
21
93
1655
37
126
2433
38
156
2205
38
156
4950
38
164
CR3A
2015-Oct 24
M/S
HP
28,153,224
10468
183
719
97
13
56
658
24
96
874
34
116
2404
38
147
2205
37
149
4230
37
155
P33W
2015-Oct 24
M/S
HP
27,119,096
10267
182
734
188
11
60
468
20
86
1276
36
126
2670
38
154
2328
40
153
3337
37
155
PJ4X(@PJ4G)
2015-Oct 24
M/S
HP
19,354,856
8334
168
620
12
4
11
533
25
87
941
30
112
1697
37
135
2169
38
139
2982
34
136
LT1F
2015-Oct 24
M/S
HP
11,336,365
5771
158
519
4
3
4
20
11
19
532
33
102
1164
37
125
960
38
132
3091
36
137
Multi-Single LP:
Totals
160
80
40
20
15
10
Call
Edition
Class
Power
Score
QSOs
Zones
Countries
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
Q
Z
Cnt
FY5KE
2015-Oct 24
M/S
LP
14,427,004
6817
159
563
3
3
3
200
19
58
516
29
107
1835
36
136
1523
36
128
2740
36
131
VP9I(@VP9GE)
2015-Oct 24
M/S
LP
7,018,557
4771
135
476
187
7
10
504
15
61
1119
25
93
1192
32
114
1230
31
105
539
25
93
EF7X(@EA7PP)
2015-Oct 24
M/S
LP
5,684,625
3582
152
623
49
9
49
87
15
75
523
23
99
900
37
131
1012
36
131
1011
32
136
KP4BD
2015-Oct 24
M/S
LP
5,138,128
3856
131
437
13
3
11
116
13
49
346
21
70
784
33
115
1655
32
102
942
29
90
PR1T(@PY1NB)
2015-Oct 24
M/S
LP
4,129,990
2787
118
396
2
2
2
3
2
3
112
25
77
550
32
108
801
30
102
1318
27
104
After to compare all this numbers, based in the Southeast of South America,
I arrived on the following points:
- Ocean Islands and countries at EU and USA boundaries dominated
this categories;
- Qsos/points from the South of South America, South of Africa and
etc from lower latitudes on the higher bands like 10m and 15m sometimes
arrives near qso/points amounts from the Winners BUT the qsos/points at
lower bands starting sometimes on 20m but mainly on 40m, 80m and 160m is
impossible to arrive closer. There is an abysm of difference. Here we have
a question of propagation mixed with distances, right? If yes, why not to
suggest and/or propose new rules considering this issue?
- Stations located in the boundaries of the main ham population
centers/countries like Caribbean Islands, Mediterranean islands and
countries located in the north of South America, North of Africa and other
similar areas looking to the North of the world will also do a lot more on
40/80/160 meters AND ALSO will do a lot on the high bands, counting 3
points/qso.
- If you are able to construct a super contest station in a rare
and excellent DX location (inland or offshore) with excellent openings
during the whole 24 hours to EU and NA (this should be nice), probably will
be on the top. But and all other stations under different conditions? Will
compete on this category the whole life without chances?
- So the conclusion here is that stations located far way from the
main ham population centers/countries (outside this continents) at higher
and lower latitudes normally do very small and limited amount of
qsos/countries/zones in 40m, 80m and 160m that is NOT compensated by far in
10m, 15m and 20m.
One possible solution could be to create a new category called "Islands" and
separate it per continent. We will have Islands Winners per Continents and
also an World Islands Rank. One problem solved!
The second situation, regarding this countries inland, located on the
boundaries of EU or NA (North of South America/North of Africa/etc)...we
should think in one way to balance the monsters/unbeatable scores. If we
don't do nothing to balance, competition will be always boring for the rest
of the world. Let's do barbecue, beer and have fun.
Thanks again for sharing ideas and taking your time with this issue, but
it's very important.
Hope to listen all of you during the next contests and some DX calls.
Have a nice weekend.
73's
Fernando F. R. Cordoba - PY2LED
Alto da Serra Contest Station
PX2A - PX2B
<mailto:py2led@fuertesind.com.br> py2led@fuertesind.com.br
<http://www.altodaserradx.com/> www.altodaserradx.com
2015-11-05 2:21 GMT+03:00 Fernando PY2LED <py2led@fuertesind.com.br>:
Hello Dear Contesters, good day!
I was analyzing results from CQWW, CQWPX and in some categories we can see
some nice records made by stations located in the Caribean Islands. Some of
this islands counts like South America.
It is extremelly difficult or impossible to beat their scores from South of
Brazil, Argentina, Uruguai, Paraguai and other south countries due to the
big distances to the main countries lime USA and some European countries.
Also during the main contests, we have only one station (one multiplier) in
some of this islands like Bonaire, Aruba etc and everybody will try the qso.
I would like to understand if's there an explanation or criteria why they
are located in South America for this contests. When we go to some Geography
books, some autors gives reason why they don't include such islands at South
America and they do like Caribean islands.
Maybe this example applies to other parts of the world. Why not to create
an Islands Category or Central America or so?
Would like to share and listen opinions about this issue.
Many thanks and best 73's
> Fernando Cordoba | PY2LED | PX2B
> Sao Caetano do Sul | SP | Brasil
> GG66rj
> py2led@fuertesind.com.br
> www.altodaserradx.com.br
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