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Re: [CQ-Contest] Convergence and Change

To: "Mark Bailey" <kd4d@comcast.net>, <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Convergence and Change
From: "Jeff AC0C" <keepwalking188@ac0c.com>
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 18:00:33 -0500
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I have a skimmer system here. When I'm running unassisted, the N1MM telnet window is closed and I receive no spots. I really cannot see how a telnet feed off a cluster, etc would be any different. The skimmer is showing you calls and frequencies. That sure seems like ASSISTED to me.

73/jeff/ac0c
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-----Original Message----- From: Mark Bailey
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 12:55 PM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Convergence and Change

Hi Yuri:

You are proposing a significant rule change. Some of us believe that software within the station, providing the same information as the packet cluster (other operators and/or remote software) should continue to be excluded in single operator categories.

73,

Mark, KD4D


On May 26, 2016 11:38:27 AM EDT, Yuri Blanarovich <k3bu@optimum.net> wrote:
Why is it so hard to accept and use sensible definitions of SO and SOA?

SO - Single Operator - station operated by single, one, operator
without
"ASSISTANCE" by SOMEONE ELSE via any means - be in the shack, over
internet, phone, ESP, whatever....
That means NOT someone/something else outside of own shack is gathering

info on call, frequency, etc. and communicating to Single Operator.
Technology in one's own shack is OK, own Skimmer at the QTH is OK.
Remote, outside of own QTH "suppliers of call/freq", persons or gadgets

are assistance by someone else - NOT OK!

SAO - Single Operator Assisted - station operated by single, one,
operator with ASSISTANCE by Someone/Something Else outside of own
shack,
via any means, providing Call/Frequency info.

Normal people, SO, would do hunting on their own, with own rifle, find
the bear and "nail" him. Feels good!

"Assisted" people SAO would have army of hunters, finding the bear,
kill
him and then yell: "come, here is the bear, kill him!" Click, gotcha!

But Hams have a problem figuring what the ASSISTANCE is. Huge
discussions about - is the pencil, keyer, computer, etc. assistant?

Personally, I would like to see the "assistance" by Internet go away or

be restricted to use. Just like DXing was ruined by nets, list,
contesting is being poisoned by Internet spoon feeding Call/Freq.
Instead of preserving pure hunting aspect, we get crazy pileups,
frequency hogging, unsportsman like behavior, hunting dead bears.

Don't get me started on "rentastations" - hey, its me, in someone
else's
skin!

Have fun, whatever is left of it!

73 Yuri, K3BU.us
www.MVmanor.com
da place for conventions, weddings, concerts,...



On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Jack Haverty wrote:


So, I'd like to see a split of assisted versus unassisted based on
those observations, with the following basic definitions:

Unassisted - a station using technology, of any kind, to communicate
using only ham radio waves.  All communication across the station
boundary (building, 100-meter circle, whatever) must be performed
using ham radio.  Within the station boundary, other forms of
communication may be used.

Assisted - a station using technology, of any kind, to communicate
not
only using radio waves, but also using other forms of communications
across the station boundary for whatever purpose the operator wishes.

All contact exchanges (whatever that means) must however be
accomplished only by ham radio communications.

In other words, Unassisted means you use only ham radio; assisted
means you may use other forms of communications as well.

73,
/Jack de K3FIV

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