Randy, Kelly, Rudy,
Thanks a lot for for your opinion. Please don't take our decision on
disabling bands breakdowns as the last one which never could be changed. I
understand your points and honestly I'm personally against any kind of
limitations if they are not provided by rules/low. But in this case we've
tried to follow community feedback and contest committee recommendations.
Anyway since we have started that discussion let's finish it with some sort
of final value conclusion.
We have opened a final poll to see how many operators support that decision:
http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5989c28be4b05211e16fef3d
Please spend one minute of your time for voting. Your opinion would be
highly appreciated.
73!
Victor
VA2WA
On 8 August 2017 at 09:53, Kelly Taylor <ve4xt@mymts.net> wrote:
> It should be at the discretion of nobody but the contest committees for
> individual contests as to what is permitted and what is not. (Subject to
> laws, of course.)
>
> It should not be, with all due respect, Victor, placed on your shoulders
> the burden of "interpreting" the rules or the wishes of the wider contest
> community.
>
> If the committee for a particular contest wishes to bar single-operator
> stations from viewing band information, it is incumbent on that committee
> to say so. (Kudos to NAQP for doing just that.)
>
> Further, I suggest we divorce the two: band breakdowns are not
> "assistance," no matter how poorly chosen that word is. Assistance
> specifically refers to information that tells you "if you tune to this
> exact frequency, you are likely to find this exact station."
>
> Which is NOT to say contests can't regulate against viewing band
> breakdowns. Just that they're two distinct animals. A band breakdown, at
> best, will tell you only that if you tune from 14.000 to 14.350, you MIGHT
> find this station.
>
> Arbitrary interpretations of rules are not helpful and sow confusion, not
> clarity. If the rule doesn't say a practice is disallowed, then it's,
> except when banned by government regulations, allowed. But adherence to a
> station's country's laws is already required by the rules.
>
> The spirit of the rules isn't worth the paper it isn't written on. Your
> take on "the spirit" may differ from the next guy's. Doesn't necessarily
> mean either of you is breaking the rules.
>
> 73, kelly, ve4xt
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 8, 2017, at 08:35, Rudy Bakalov via CQ-Contest <
> cq-contest@contesting.com> wrote:
> >
> > Victor,
> >
> > First and foremost thank you for promoting and developing the concept of
> online scoreboards. Even though they have been around for a while they have
> not been actively promoted. Personally, I have found them fun, motivating,
> and quite effective in attracting kids to contesting.
> >
> > IMHO, and as your own poll data shows, the level of details should be a
> personal choice, not your choice. By making the decision yourself you are
> inserting yourself in the endless debate of what assistance means. You
> really don't want to be in this business and subject yourself to constant
> criticism.
> >
> > Rudy N2WQ
> >
> > Sent using a tiny keyboard. Please excuse brevity, typos, or
> inappropriate autocorrect.
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 7, 2017, at 10:53 PM, Victor Androsov <victor.androsov@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Randy,
> >>
> >> As you know we are always trying to follow HAM community. Before make a
> >> decision we've opened a poll about bands breakdown view on a score
> board.
> >> You can see this poll results here : https://contestonlinescore.
> com/poll.png.
> >> We've also contacted some NAQP guys and got their opinion.
> >>
> >> Since more than 50% of voters wish to limit breakdown view by one or
> >> another way we decided to disable that option for NAQP CW in kind of
> trial
> >> mode. Honestly I think we've chosen the right way since I've never seen
> so
> >> many single ops on any score boards before as it was during NAQPC CW. I
> >> believe many of them joined to a live score board for the first time.
> )) So
> >> we are going to keep this limitation for the next NAQP SSB and probably
> for
> >> the CQ WW RTTY/SSB/CW as well.
> >>
> >> Anyway, if majority of operators would convince us to remove that
> >> limitation we could easily do that. We still collect all the breakdowns
> >> data but suspend publishing it on the board if that particular contest
> >> configured to disable breakdown view. We are always opened for any
> >> suggestions and feedbacks ))
> >>
> >>
> >> 73!
> >>
> >>
> >> Victor
> >>
> >> VA2WA
> >>
> >>> On 6 August 2017 at 23:35, Randy Thompson K5ZD <k5zd@charter.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I do not understand why you feel an obligation to remove features from
> the
> >>> scoreboard to prevent an entry being considered as "assisted."
> >>>
> >>> From the NAQP rules:
> >>>
> >>> "Access to spotting information
> >>> obtained directly or indirectly
> >>> from any source other than the
> >>> station operator, such as from
> >>> other stations or automated
> >>> tools, is prohibited."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There is no definition as to the meaning of "spotting information."
> When
> >>> we
> >>> look at the general ARRL contest rules and at the CQ contests, the
> concept
> >>> of spotting information generally includes callsign, frequency, and
> time.
> >>> The scoreboard provides none of these.
> >>>
> >>> I found use of the scoreboard to be very enjoyable during NAQP CW. It
> >>> definitely helped me stay on the air and make more QSOs than I had
> planned
> >>> or would have given the conditions.
> >>>
> >>> The scoreboard should include all features. If someone doesn't want to
> >>> contribute their band information, they can choose not to do so in
> their
> >>> logger. If they feel looking at the band info changes their category,
> they
> >>> should choose not to click on the link that takes them to that info.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Randy, K5ZD
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of
> >>>> Victor Androsov
> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 2:46 PM
> >>>> To: cq-contest
> >>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] NAQP CW this weekend
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This weekend we expect good activity on the score board (
> >>>> https://contestonlinescore.com ) since we have disabled breakdown
> info
> >>>> for the NAQP contests. We think that would be safe now for single ops.
> >>>> Using of online score board during the contest will not be considered
> as
> >>>> undeclared assistance.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Please register and start configuring your loggers before the contest
> so
> >>>> we could have enough time to assist you with the logger settings in
> case
> >>>> of some issues.
> >>>>
> >>>> 73!
> >>>>
> >>>> Victor
> >>>>
> >>>> VA2WA
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