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Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
From: "Stephen Bloom" <sbloom@acsalaska.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 09:58:11 -0800
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I think we're going to go round and round on this and overthink it to death.  . 
 I know that assisted vs. unassisted is a much bigger issue in NA than it is in 
EU.  I'm not sure that is a good thing though.  *NOT* having a "boy and his 
radio" category in some of the EU and OC contests probably discourages new and 
"casual" contesters from putting in their best efforts.  Avoiding having a 
category because some will cheat is self defeating, especially when we are 
getting better at catching cheaters.  Having said that :)  what I sense is that 
folks want a "Boy and his radio" category.  Given that, and .. just ignoring 
cheating, because, no matter what, some people will ..here is what I think 
would be the simplest way to resolve some of this ...and yes, each contest 
manager would have to implement it in a way that made sense for that contestA 

Why not just create a "Boy and His Radio" category.  One operator, one radio, 
no use of assistance (and look, I know the devil is in the details, but really, 
assistance means acquiring data about who is on and on what frequency, using 
anything other than ones ears on that single radio.)  The one open question 
would be, whether to allow SO2R as part of this.  I'm 50-50 on this because, 
while SO2R is usually helpful, it varies widely by contest and you *CAN* win 
without it.  It's also about to get a lot messier defining what is and isn't 
SOxR with the newest Flex radios being able to do it in one box, and no doubt 
other SDRs coming along with same.  Still though, the "average guy" in this 
hobby has 1 radio, maybe a tribander and some wires, and often runs 100W.  
Something specifically attractive to them seems like a cool idea to me and who 
does it hurt?

Steve KL7SB

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 6:41 AM
To: Yuri <ve3dz@rigexpert.net>
Cc: Trent Sampson <vk4ts@outlook.com>; CQ-Contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted

I don’t think it really matters what the real meaning of assisted and 
un-assisted is in the true meaning of the words. That has and no doubt  will be 
debated ad infinitum.
In the terms of contesting it is whatever the contest sponsors decide it is. 
They are the rules we play with. And as to the OP point about cheating. No 
amount of defining terms will stop cheating.

Sent from my iPad

> On 17 Aug 2018, at 14:33, Yuri <ve3dz@rigexpert.net> wrote:
> I think the definition of the category should be really based only on a 
> number of operators and number of transmitted signals at a time. 
> Single OP or Multi Op (different numbers of TX's). That's it.
> If a single Op can do what a bunch of people together can't - why should he 
> be handicapped?
> If he can utilize all of the technology and all by himself (without physical 
> help of other people) - why should we call him assisted? Only because a bunch 
> of "ordinary" people can't do the same?
> Of someone is using OCF dipole instead of monoband Yagi, or if someone 
> doesn't have Internet in the shack - that's his own choice. Everyone else 
> doesn't have to "downgrade" because of that.
> Yuri VE3DZ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
> Trent Sampson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:47 PM
> To: CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
> Assisted is really not assisted - 2BSIQ Two Band Synchronised interleaved 
> QSOs have left the assisted operator in its dust... 
> It is really time to reconsider whether Assisted is truly an advantage 
> anymore and deserving of its own category...
> Assisted by my definition is the sourcing of callsign, band and frequency 
> information from any source other than your radio system. 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com> On Behalf Of Stanley 
> Zawrotny
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2018 1:06 AM
> To: CQ-Contest@contesting.com
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] Assisted
> Ken,
> Is remembering a well-known callsign assisted?
> Stan, K4SBZ
> "Real radio bounces off the sky."
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