Following up my own post, the question is who should prosecute the rule here,
CQ/ARRL or the FCC. How badly do we wish to get the FCC involved?
Moreover, is this really a problem yet?
73,
Jack, W6FB
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 1:31 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle@me.com> wrote:
>
> Randy, CQ makes it their issue. From CQ WW rule XIII. Declaration:
> "2) operated according to all rules and regulations that pertain to amateur
> radio for the station location,”
>
> Also, see General Rules for All Entrants, #5 which points out the same thing.
>
> If it is not legal in the country of the operation, it isn’t legal for CQ WW
> either.
> Pretty much all contests have this same declaration.
>
> Note: I don’t have a dog in this fight other than to point out the rules. In
> contesting, we really must abide by them.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 10:56 AM, Randy Thompson <k5zd@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is not a CQ or ARRL contest issue. It is a government regulations
>> issue. It is also one where you may not want to ask the question and get
>> and answer you did not expect...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CQ-Contest <cq-contest-bounces+k5zd=outlook.com@contesting.com> On
>> Behalf Of Mark - N5OT
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:10 AM
>> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
>>
>> Good question Ed.
>>
>> Mike I think you're stretching that mic cord to the point where it breaks.
>> I decline to pin a conclusion on the personal opinion of one Canadian radio
>> inspector.
>>
>> The real questions for contest operations would be about whether or not the
>> control operator really is present, and whether or not that control operator
>> is actually controlling the operations. Even so, if I let my unlicensed
>> daughter operate, she can't exactly enter the CQWW like that. If I let some
>> ham from another country who is not licensed in the USA use my station via
>> remote control, not sure that op can enter CQWW.
>>
>> Frankly, CQ and ARRL should simply weigh in with their positions on this
>> question and tell us what it is. I bet there is very little gray to it at
>> all.
>>
>> 73 - Mark N5OT
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/2021 8:40 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>>> Hi Edward
>>>
>>> The challenge is, of course, the regulations have not kept up to
>>> technology.
>>>
>>> In Canada, I had an Radio Inspector describe remote HF operation as a
>>> long Mic cord. There are no laws that say the operator has to be
>>> sitting in the same room as the radio station. You are still governed
>>> by the laws based on the location of the physical transmitter.
>>>
>>> Reciprocal licensing only comes into play if you want to use your
>>> callsign while operating from a foreign country. It does not apply if
>>> you are guest operating (which is what this is). In fact, you can be
>>> a guest operator without having a license as long as another correctly
>>> licensed ham is in complete control of the station.
>>>
>>> 73, Mike va3mw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:09 AM Edward Sawyer <
>>> EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually I don't believe you are correct. When you are "in person"
>>>> in the country, you are governed by the reciprocal licensing of the 2
>>>> countries for people visiting. There is nothing in that normal
>>>> language that discussing doing that virtually for most countries
>>>> (maybe some have added language - not sure). An internet connection
>>>> does not make you "in the country". Which is a good thing for tax
>>>> purposes..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is in fact the question.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ed N1UR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Michael Walker <va3mw@portcredit.net>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2021 8:03 AM
>>>> *To:* Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com>
>>>> *Cc:* cq-contest@contesting.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] Remote Operating - Cross County
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This would be the same if I visited from Canada to the US and visited
>>>> someones station and operated a contest from their callsign. Nothing wrong
>>>> with that as long as it doesn't exceed the terms of my license. Think of
>>>> it as a long mic cord. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The question is can I 'keep' the QSO's in my person log?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good question.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike va3mw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 9:13 PM Edward Sawyer <
>>>> EdwardS@advanced-conversion.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I continue to see postings of scores by a ham outside the US
>>>> operating a US based remote site. The hams do not have their own US
>>>> callsign and "borrow" someone else's callsign from the US. I am
>>>> pretty sure this is an illegal operation in the US. Am I missing
>>>> something? Its happening pretty much every contest now.
>>>>
>>>> Ed N1UR
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