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RE: [Karlnet] RE: Ping Jitter

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Subject: RE: [Karlnet] RE: Ping Jitter
From: Travis Lists <travis-lists@netwaveinternet.com>
Reply-to: Karlnet Mailing List <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 08:23:11 -0400
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I have had the same issue for a year now.

Finally narrowed it down to a handful of customers with bad SNRs (<15 or
so), and moved them to a different system. Still, I see the ugly ping
monster rear its head on a daily basis. Something similar happens when a
single customer saturates a link with traffic.

We're moving to Canopy. We did our first install yesterday -- fastest
and easiest install I have EVER done, and I got a 3Mbit connection out
of it. Sweet! :-)

Travis

-----Original Message-----
From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hrbek
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:00 AM
To: Timothy J Steele MCSE; Karlnet Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Karlnet] RE: Ping Jitter


I have seen the same.  So...I'm totally screwed.

I'm not going to change out 30 subs antenna or overamp the sector to get
the "greater than 15db" SNR.

Turn off polling and what's the big advantage to Karlnet?

This sucks.  I guess it's time to deploy an 802.11b AP and start doing
the new installs that way.

-bob
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Timothy J Steele MCSE" <tsteele@e-isco.com>
To: <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:45 PM
Subject: [Karlnet] RE: Ping Jitter


> We have the same exact problem on ALL our mountain sites. We currently
have
> five mountain sites with 40+ subscribers each. All are running Karl 
> Net flash ROM units with at least 1 GHz CPUs and 256mb of system RAM. 
> We have been running with 40+ clients on at least two of the sites for

> over three years with no "ping jitter" whatsoever. All of our sites 
> are monitored and logged via SMTP. The "ping jitter" problem appeared 
> on our sites once we moved from the 3.x version (3.88) to the 4.x 
> (4.43) version. Once we
noticed
> this we began a small lab test to narrow down where the problem 
> resides. What we found was polling was the cause. Whenever we would 
> disable the polling functionality of the base unit the ping times 
> would return to the normal 10ms to 30ms range. Once we enabled pooling

> the ping times would change dramatically from 10ms to over 400ms. 
> Poling by itself would
increase
> the latency, then when we created some weak SNR signals to our test 
> lab
the
> latency would increase dramatically. It seems that the pooling of the 
> base station is effected by the SNR of each subscriber. Once you get 
> several
weak
> subscribers (15db and under) the latency seems to increase 
> exponentially. This problem does not occur when we flash our lab unit 
> with the older 3.88 version. The latency remains consistent between 10

> and 40 ms. it is
affected
> by poor SNR bur not as dramatically as the 4.x versions. It would seem

> to eliminate the "ping jitter" you have two choices, one "turn of 
> poling"
this
> fixes the problem immediately but then you loose the ability to 
> support
the
> NDIS version of the Karl Net client software (this includes the new 
> Ubicom units since they are a variant of the NDIS client). Or 
> downgrade to the
3.x
> version and loose a whole bunch of new base software features. At this
time
> we are doing everything we can to maximize SNR on all our subscribers 
> to
at
> least reduce the latency and wait for Karl Net to address the issue in

> a future BIN release.
>
> Timothy Steele
> e-ISCO Internet
> MCSE, MCP, MCI
> tsteele@e-isco.com
> www.e-isco.com
>
>
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