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Re: [RFI] ARRL to FCC...

To: "dave@nk7z.net" <dave@nk7z.net>, "rfi@contesting.com" <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] ARRL to FCC...
From: "Hare, Ed W1RFI" <w1rfi@arrl.org>
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:30:57 +0000
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ALL of the lights we have tested have been way above the limits.   All are 
subject to formal complaint. One FCC Citation was issued to a grower on the 
west coast. I also have heard that the FCC Lab is looking at them, in response 
to that citation.

I agree with David.  I have seen many things posed as major threats to ham 
radio -- CFLs, LED bulbs, as examples.  Fortunately, with most devices meeting 
limits, CFL and LED technology do not appear to be a major threat.  But 
lighting controllers operating 58 dB over the FCC limits ARE a major threat, 
and we are getting new reports every week.

Unfortunately, FCC acts with "great deliberation" if there are no wardrobe 
malfunctions to speed up the process.


-----Original Message-----
From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of David Cole
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:25 PM
To: rfi@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RFI] ARRL to FCC...

I forgot to mention my thoughts on your comment below...

Grow lights are legal ONLY when they meet FCC RFI standards...  If they don't 
then they are not legal, and should be removed, and all imports stopped.  It 
does not matter what someone are growing...  No one cares- as long as they are 
RFI quiet.  I support the ARRL 100% on their going after grow lights, and hope 
they increase their testing, and reporting programs for them.

Grow Lights, as they are being implemented today, are a MASSIVE issue for all 
of Amateur Radio.  As you yourself said:  Lets get it fixed while there is a 
window to do so...  I agree 100% with you!

Thanks and 73's,
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On Sat, 2014-07-26 at 19:13 +0000, Donald Chester wrote:
GROW LIGHTS ARE LEGAL PRODUCTS, widely used for many other purposes
besides growing cannabis, such as vegetable plants and ornamental
flowers. Like other electrical and electronic devices, some are clean
and others spew out RFI, and RFI inevitably generates unwanted

> > From: David Cole <dave@nk7z.net>
> >
> > I chair our clubs RFI committee, and we help locate RFI for hams that
> > can't. Your comment has hit one of my major concerns right square on
> > the head!
> >
> > One of my nightmares is that I help a grower to quiet down a grow
> > operation, then he gets busted and tells the DEA NK7Z helped me, my life
> > will get very complicated very quickly... So I don't do that, I just
> > hand out our sheet, which we paid a lawyer to check out, and let them
> > know that we will be reporting it very soon if things don't get fixed...
> > No offer of help is made in any way... If help is asked for, I explain
> > the above to them, and they seem to understand, I then refer them to the
> > FCC and the ARRL's web sites, tell them thank you, remind them once more
> > they are causing problems, and then move on...
> >
> > This entire situation with growers is really quite unfair to Hams in
> > general because the Amateur Operator is not breaking any laws, and is in
> > fact providing Emergency communications, and is exposed to at least the
> > list below:
> >
> > 1. The Amateur Operator is put at risk of being shot.
> > 2. The Amateur Operator is being put at risk of being sued.
> > 3. The Amateur Operator's family might come to be at risk if a grower
> > is not legal and gets wind he is being DFed.
> > 4. The Amateur Operator is placed in the enforcer role by the FCC not
> > doing any active RFI enforcement.
> > 6. The states are encouraging the legalization process with out
> > adequate thought to what can happen as a result, like RFI.
> > 7. Most of the people generating the RFI don't even know what RFI is,
> > so the Amateur Operators are placed in a position of being involved with
> > growers, in at least a possible first contact scenario.
> > 8. The process is not legal federally, so any contact an Amateur
> > Operator has-- places him.her at more risk.
> > 9. All for a hobby...
> >
> > Any sane person looking at that list would say, drop the hobby like a
> > hot potato, some hams say leave it alone and live with it... But as we
> > all know neither is is going to happen... But-- I wonder how many hams
> > are getting discouraged by the RFI levels in the legal grow states, they
> > are really high, (pun intended), in the legal states...
> >
> > Until you have lived in a legal grow state, in a residential area, you
> > have NO IDEA how bad it can get... We have caused at least three grow
> > operations to move, or stop, all within a one mile radius of my QTH...
> > We live in a nice residential area where homes are close to 300K each,
> > not in Deliverance country, so pretty much everyone is getting Cards and
> > growing. I can only hope legalization puts some controls on things here
> > in Oregon.
> >
> > One person I know simply turns off his rig at 7:31 every night, when the
> > grow lights come on... 40 over S9 on 80 through 10 Meters... The same
> > source, 1/2 mile form me is only 10 over S9 on 40 meters... The three
> > other hams involved are not happy campers either... See a previous post
> > about locating this source if interested...
> >
> > I just wish there was a professional locating service for this, I would
> > pay them a lot hard cash to locate the house, then I would report it to
> > the FCC. This single source is really difficult to locate-- again see
> > my previous post if interested why...
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2014-07-25 at 13:55 +0000, EDWARDS, EDDIE J wrote:
> >> "I am not enough of a lawyer to know what the line is for how much I can 
> >> help a grower quiet down an operation, it is after all still not legal 
> >> federally..."
> >>
> >> I'm not a lawyer either. I too am wondering how it would be viewed by the 
> >> DEA during their raids if they find a nearby ham's contact info on the 
> >> grower's or on multiple grower's contact lists, or if find on documents 
> >> showing the ham has been assisting with RFI issues. I know I would not 
> >> take that chance no matter where I lived.
> >>
> >> For those who think the federal DEA isn't doing raids under the current 
> >> admin or in legal states, you might be surprised at the selective grower 
> >> raids they are currently doing. Sometimes has to do with other activities 
> >> or items on site like guns.
> >>
> >> http://www.yakimaherald.com/news/latestlocalnews/2291671-8/medical-pot-users-with-guns-target-of-dea
> >>
> >> http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2011/10/13/mendocino-county-raid-has-marijuana-advocates-riled/
> >>
> >> http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25666066/dea-raids-vip-cannabis-cuts-open-safes
> >>
> >> http://www.denverpost.com/marijuana/ci_25154625/new-details-emerge-colorado-marijuana-operators-raided-by
> >>
> >> 73, de ed -K0iL
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