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Re: [RFI] LED lighting

To: rfi@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RFI] LED lighting
From: David Cole <dave@nk7z.net>
Reply-to: dave@nk7z.net
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:34:59 -0700
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I also listened at VHF (2M), and heard nothing...
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On Mon, 2015-07-27 at 16:59 +0000, Hare, Ed W1RFI wrote:
> Great.  I also have a ham who works in the electric-utility industry sending 
> me one to test. They will not all be made by one company, but this is a very 
> encouraging sign.   The LED bulb is NOT an RF-driven bulb, or one that 
> ionizes gas, so it would comply with Part 15.  The FCC would almost certainly 
> consider the street poles to be industrial environments, as they did with BPL 
> on overhead lines, so the rather high Part 15A limits would apply. If this is 
> inaudible, then the bulbs are clearly WAY below the FCC limits.
> 
> Thank goodness!
> 
> Ed Hare, W1RFI
> ARRL Laboratory Manager
> 225 Main St.
> Newington, CT 06111
> Tel: (860) 594-0318
> Fax: (860) 594-0259
> Email: W1RFI@arrl.org
> Member: IEEE Connecticut Section
> Member: IEEE EMC Society, Board of Directors
> Member: IEEE EMC Society Standards Development and Education Committee
> Primary representative:  ANSI ASC C63 EMC Committee, Vice Chair Subcommittee 
> 5 (Immunity)
> Member: QRP Amateur Radio Club International, Board of Directors
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of David Cole
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 12:55 PM
> To: rfi@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [RFI] LED lighting
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> I discovered that the City here is going to be switching to LED streetlights 
> soon, and ended up in contact with the City Engineer...
> 
> The long and short of it is that the city had not even thought about Part 
> 15/18 compliance, but when they looked, the lights were compliant as per the 
> data sheet on them.  
> 
> He and agreed to have us look over the test run they have in place looking 
> for RFI...  He gave us the addresses and we we did-- all of them were dead 
> quiet on 80-10 Meters, regarding broadband noise, in a drive around test...  
> 
> We did a prelight drive around, mapping all the poles by number and taking RF 
> background readings, on 80-10, then waited for them to light, and did it 
> again...  Not one light made any detectable RFI, at street level.  Not 
> scientific, and I told him that, but at least the city is being really good 
> about RFI, and it is now on their radar.
> 
> 
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> 
> For MixW support see;
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
> For Dopplergram information see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
> For MM-SSTV see:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2015-07-27 at 15:04 +0000, Hare, Ed W1RFI wrote:
> > I bought one multi-LED bulb that came from China.  It was dead quiet. My 
> > guess is that it simply put the LEDs in series and connected them to the 
> > line.  Not all of them will have a switcher in them.
> > 
> > ARRL tested a number and found them to be below the conducted emissions 
> > limits. I want to test them above 30 MHz too, for radiated emissions, 
> > though we'd need to set up outdoors to prevent scatters from throwing off 
> > the readings.
> > 
> > 
> > Ed Hare, W1RFI
> > ARRL Laboratory Manager
> > 225 Main St.
> > Newington, CT 06111
> > Tel: (860) 594-0318
> > Fax: (860) 594-0259
> > Email: W1RFI@arrl.org
> > Member: IEEE Connecticut Section
> > Member: IEEE EMC Society, Board of Directors
> > Member: IEEE EMC Society Standards Development and Education Committee 
> > Primary representative:  ANSI ASC C63 EMC Committee, Vice Chair 
> > Subcommittee 5 (Immunity)
> > Member: QRP Amateur Radio Club International, Board of Directors
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of David 
> > Robbins
> > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:37 AM
> > To: 'Phil Snyder'; rfi@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [RFI] LED lighting
> > 
> > They could just be led bulbs in a standard 120v socket also... in those 
> > there is a switching supply in the base of each bulb.
> > 
> > David Robbins K1TTT
> > e-mail: mailto:k1ttt@arrl.net
> > web: http://wiki.k1ttt.net
> > AR-Cluster node: 145.69MHz or telnet://k1ttt.net
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: RFI [mailto:rfi-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Phil Snyder
> > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 14:51
> > To: rfi@contesting.com
> > Subject: [RFI] LED lighting
> > 
> > Well after a 4 year period the local electric company found the offending 
> > lightning arrester and voila no more noise! Unfortunately, the neighbor 
> > behind me just remodeled the outside of their house and in the process 
> > added about 6 LED lighting fixtures in the soffit across the front and 
> > after a few days of watching and listening it appears that they are causing 
> > way more RFI then the faulty arrester ever did.
> > 
> > I am hoping to learn a little more here before approaching them to make 
> > sure all my facts are straight. I am assuming that there is a switching 
> > power supply running the lights and that the power is cut to the supply 
> > when they are not on since the noise is gone when they are off. Is it 
> > possible to try and suppress the noise on the leads coming out of the power 
> > supply? Does he need to contact the manufacturer to replace the supply? 
> > Unfortunately they are mounted into the soffit like a can type light you 
> > would have inside your house and I hope the power supply is accessible.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Phil
> > N9LAH
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