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Re: [RFI] Mr. Carlson's Lab: coffee maker RFI

To: "Hare, Ed, W1RFI" <w1rfi@arrl.org>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Mr. Carlson's Lab: coffee maker RFI
From: Mike Martin <mike@rfiservices.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 09:09:49 -0500
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I think you'll find very few of them radiate any distance away from the machine 
itself. On very rare occasions you'll find one that'll radiate outside the home 
with enough intensity to cause any issues.

⁣Be safe,
Mike Martin
RFI Services
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On Jan 14, 2022, 8:48 AM, at 8:48 AM, "Hare, Ed, W1RFI" <w1rfi@arrl.org> wrote:
>Thanks, Charles.  I didn't look all the way to the end,  I will admit.
>We are running shorthanded in the Lab, so I am doing lots of things
>quickly.
>
>I did get another report that several Keurigs did cause RFI problems,
>but none that have ever been sent to me as a complaint. I have 3 at
>home, one still working, that I can do some testing on, as well as the
>ARR: Lab coffee pot\, which is now a Keurig.
>
>________________________________
>From: Charles Coldwell <coldwell@gmail.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 7:56 AM
>To: Hare, Ed, W1RFI <w1rfi@arrl.org>
>Cc: rfi@contesting.com <rfi@contesting.com>
>Subject: Re: [RFI] Mr. Carlson's Lab: coffee maker RFI
>
>If you watch the whole video (spoiler alert!), at the end he kills the
>RFI by shunting the AC with some capacitors and increasing the value of
>a cap coupling the AC ground with the DC ground on the other side of
>the SMPS. He mentioned that he has about three of these coffee machines
>and only one of them is misbehaving.
>
>However the troubleshooting is less satisfactory than is usual for Paul
>Carlson, VE7ZWZ (he is usually restoring antique radios). Essentially
>the problem is (spoiler alert!) in the microcontroller firmware which
>appears to have flipped a bit somewhere in the motor control/PWM code
>path.
>
>On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 6:22 AM Hare, Ed, W1RFI
><w1rfi@arrl.org<mailto:w1rfi@arrl.org>> wrote:
>This is very interesting.  I do note that the unit in question is
>defective, with a motor that seems to be running very slowly.  This
>could be the reason for the RFI problem. ARRL has zero reports of KRFI
>(Keurig RFI), but I am sure many a ham has a Keurig.  If any of you do
>experience this problem, send an email to
>rfi@arrl.org<mailto:rfi@arrl.org> with the details.
>
>It is worth noting that under FCC rules, this would be classified as an
>appliance (used in heating, cooling, cleaning or the preparation of
>food).  As such, it is categorically exempt from the specific emissions
>limits that apply to other unintentional radiators.  Appliances are
>subject only to the requirement that the operator use them in a way
>that does not cause harmful interference.
>
>Ed, W1RFI
>
>________________________________
>From: RFI
><rfi-bounces+w1rfi=arrl.org@contesting.com<mailto:arrl.org@contesting.com>>
>on behalf of Charles Coldwell
><coldwell@gmail.com<mailto:coldwell@gmail.com>>
>Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 1:24 AM
>To: rfi@contesting.com<mailto:rfi@contesting.com>
><rfi@contesting.com<mailto:rfi@contesting.com>>
>Subject: [RFI] Mr. Carlson's Lab: coffee maker RFI
>
>Pretty interesting
>
>https://youtu.be/f3dGStQuI7c <https://youtu.be/f3dGStQuI7c>
>
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