Dave,
After everything posted so far, I think you probably already know the answer to
your question. It's pretty simple. Today the FCC is run by political lawyers
as you know. They're main concern today is to protect internet and cellular
systems for the consumers because they are the biggest elephants in the room.
It used to be Television and Telephone systems many years ago; however, both
are losing customers every day to internet and cellular systems. It's the most
ubiquitous method of all communications today.
Just as most technical IT types think wireless paging systems are obsolete
today, and for the most part they almost are, the same folks and many more
think the same thing of ham radio. So then what do you think is the perception
of ham radio amongst the non-technical, political-lawyer class of people at
today's FCC? The same or worse. You want them to enforce Part 15 to protect
an obsolete hobby in their perception? Sorry, there's no budget for that
because they're too busy with high-tech stuff like FirstNet, 6G cellular, and
things that impact tens and hundreds of millions of citizens daily.
The ARRL is currently the only voice to continually update and change the
perception of ham radio within the FCC. There is no other even close to being
cable of doing that.
73, de ed -K0iL
-----Original Message-----
From: RFI On Behalf Of David Eckhardt
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 12:08 PM
Ed, as I mentioned yesterday, previous to my joining this RFI group online, I
had absolutely no idea how involved ARRL was w.r.t. (with respect to) RFI/EMC.
I had a rather tainted outlook when it came to ARRL. I usually stated that
ARRL simply served as a lobby group to maintain our slice of the RF frequencies.
Boy, that has changed since joining this group. I haven't always been too
"kind" to FCC based on my experiences over the years and to see them gutted,
especially OET. I'm technical and put food on our table and a roof over our
heads for some 35+ years as an EMC/RFI engineer at various companies, including
HP (before the reign of "the witch of the West"). In the past, I had wished I
could cancel my life membership. No more. Keep it up! I just wish the ham
community knew more regarding the RFI/EMC efforts we all pay for as members.
But, again, ARRL is now doing the job FCC was originally chartered to conduct,
paid for by our dues to ARRL, and free to the tax payer. Everyone benefits,
but why should we be paying for what the FCC should be doing?...
... ... Your thoughts? I realize it's a labor of love for the RF spectrum and
our hobby.
Dave - WØLEV
On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 3:25 PM Jim Morgan <jvmorg@comcast.net> wrote:
> Had intended to post to the forum... sent directly to Ed by mistake!
> Thank you Ed for the personal response. Hope you don't mind my posting it.
>
>
> 73, Jim W4QE
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: [RFI] DEFINITION OF "HARMFUL INTERFERENCE"
> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 13:49:48 +0000
> From: Hare, Ed, W1RFI <w1rfi@arrl.org>
> To: W4QE@arrl.net <W4QE@arrl.net>
>
>
>
> That point is being recognized. We are also increasing communication
> with the AM broadcast industry and ARRL helped fund a participant in
> the development of smart-grid immunity standards, benefitting the
> electric utility industry. Amateur radio also benefitted big time
> because we can only imagine what would happen if amateur radio
> transmissions repeatedly took down the electric power grid. It was a
> 10-year effort, in collaboration with the IEEE EMC Society and Power
> and Energy Society, but the final standards included meaningful RF
> immunity standards for protective relays and other equipment used in
> the developing smart-grid technologies. As intitially written, a rock
> placed in the test fixture would have passed. 🙂
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* Jim Morgan <jvmorg@comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 20, 2023 8:09 AM
> *To:* Hare, Ed, W1RFI <w1rfi@arrl.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [RFI] DEFINITION OF "HARMFUL INTERFERENCE"
> I have been following this thread with interest, and just wanted to
> express appreciation to all for the (generally) civil tone of the
> conversation. Clearly interference can be a touchy issue. I'm glad
> that the ARRL is so involved both in the standards process and the
> enforcement process. I agree with Ed that diplomacy is as important
> as technology when trying to get to resolution of an interference issue.
>
> Thank you Ed, and ARRL, for your involvement in this area.
>
> It occurs to me that the work of amateurs in this area provides
> benefits beyond the amateur community. RF devices are everywhere, and
> every time we find and fix a source of interference on the ham bands,
> life also gets better for some machine in a hospital, some theater or
> church using wireless microphones, even the drive-through at your
> favorite fast-food restaurant, who may not even know why their
> equipment is sometimes "flaky" or has dropouts.
>
> 73 all,
> Jim W4QE
>
>
> On 1/20/2023 7:02 AM, Hare, Ed, W1RFI wrote:
> > This has been my life's work, for over 35 years, and all that I
> know has been built on the work of many people, not just my own. That
> is the strength of organization.
> >
> > But I do have to note that is is more than a club, and our standing
> with FCC and others is also built on decades of participation. When
> we work with the FCC, we do so as authentically and productively as we
> can, with a loyalty to what we believe to be the truth. We have this
> unique position with the FCC because although we do strongly represent
> amateur radio to their enforcement people, it is done in the light of
> creating a reasonable process to help resolve cases, then supporting the
> process.
> >
> > It is done in parallel with similar work with the standardization
> process, through entities like the IEEE, not only with seats at the
> table, but with seats at the head of the table. I just completed an
> 10-year series of terms on the IEEE EMC Society Board of Directors,
> twice as a Director-at-Large and three times as their elected Vice
> President for Standards. I term-limited, so had to step down, but I
> am continuing that work by supporting the new VP for Standards and by
> serving its two major EMC committees in whatever ways they need me to
> serve. ARRL has been a member of the US EMC committee, C63.org, that
> writes standards often adopted by the FCC as regulation. I am the
> Chair of its Subcommittee 5 on immunity. ARRL has had a
> representative on the FCC Technological Advisory Council, bringing
> amateur radio and his expertise on RF safety and RF in general to
> their work. ARRL, and amateur radio, participated internationally as
> part of the ITU-R process of helping to create internat
> > ional RF law.
> >
> > So, when this "club" approaches the FCC at the staff level with a
> request for help and an offer to help the help, it is now seen as a
> legitimate request and a legitimate offer for help that will be
> appropriate and reasonable in its expectations. The ARRL individuals
> that have been elected by their peers to leadership positions have
> been given those positions because they are legitimately contributing
> to real industry processes, representing their stake and influencing
> the outcome, but again, in ways that are appropriate and reasonable.
> It is work that carries the strength of 700,000 US amateurs, with the
> ability to take on some of the tasks and, when needed, to crowd source
> informatiton that can be and is important and valuable to the
> advancement of state of the art.
> >
> > So, when "the club" works with the FCC, all of that is known, all
> of that is part of the processes and the FCC and others are coming
> around to believe that what is being asked is for a greater good that
> ARRL has helped establish a track record of greater-good achievement
> that shows that amateur radio is still a valuable part of modern
> technological advancement.
> >
> > Ed Hare, W1RFI
> > ARRL Lab
> >
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