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Re: [RFI] Finally located my RFI

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Subject: Re: [RFI] Finally located my RFI
From: "Dave (NK7Z)" <dave@nk7z.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2024 07:13:33 -0700
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Hi Dave (WO2X),

Thanks for the cross check here!! Here is my rational-- the RFI starts at around 18 MHz, and ends at around 26 MHz. Broadband noise...

Looking at the graphs for impedance on both mix31 and mix43, (I still need to check that I am correctly remembering the graphs), I see that at around 14 MHz., mix31. and mix43, are about equal in impedance, (apples to apples comparison, but for frequency), with mix43 having more impedance above 14 MHz., then mix31 does. That dictated the choice. Had the RFI been centered lower, I would have selected mix31...

Now I am headed back to check the graphs to be sure my memory is correct! If this is not a correct choice, I am all ears here... I want to make this a one time trip to the next door neighbors home...

THANK YOU for your input on this as well...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 6/20/24 06:55, Dave wrote:
Curious why you would choose mix 43 over 31 for HF interference? Is there a 
specific advantage in this situation? I thought 43 were more effective at 
higher frequencies.

73
Dave wo2x
Sent from my waxed string and tin cans.

On Jun 20, 2024, at 8:26 AM, Dave (NK7Z) <dave@nk7z.net> wrote:

Hi Jim,
Thanks for the reply, and suggestions...  I have six mix43 FT240s in stock 
now...  I also have a pile of mix31s, but in this case, I think the 43s will be 
better...

Can either you, or Dave (W0LEV),  suggest a commercial unit that can be 
purchased, that I can have an electrician install?

If it were my unit, I would install however, being a neighbors unit, I want an 
electrician to install due to liability issues.  I am fairly sure I can get the 
HVAC folks to wrap a 43 core on the control lines at both ends...

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 6/20/24 00:01, Jim Brown wrote:
On 6/19/2024 6:08 PM, David Eckhardt wrote:
Dave, install ferrites on BOTH the input AND output.
I think you mean on both the mains power side and the control lines. Strongly 
agree. BUT -- it's going to take more than single-turn clamps that peak around 
140 MHz to make much of dent between 17 and 29 MHz.
Couple of thoughts. First, dedicated twisted pair for the current carrying 
conductors.
Second, look for anything that would divide some of the return current with a 
random ground path, like building structure. The logic -- when forward and 
return current can form a transmission line, their fields cancel as long as 
they're equal, (and are confined to the narrow region between the conductors 
that make up the line), AND the transmission line is a much lower impedance 
than the wider random path, so all the current goes to it. But if their is no 
transmission line, the return current in that random path creates a large 
magnetic field, and also radiates as an antenna.
Henry Ott got me to see this light years ago, and I got the same analysis with an EMC 
engineer I encountered when he showed up as a friend of the client at a church in Dayton 
for which I was designing a sound system. The first thing he said after I'd outlined the 
issue was "twisted pair."
73, Jim K9YC
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