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Re: [RTTY] BARTG HF Contest 2015 Preliminary Results

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Subject: Re: [RTTY] BARTG HF Contest 2015 Preliminary Results
From: Al Kozakiewicz <akozak@hourglass.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 01:12:04 +0000
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This thread illustrates a fundamental flaw with the exchange that should be 
fixed.

I'm sure this wasn't a problem when the BARTG RTTY was conducted using actual 
teleprinters (emphasis on the "printer") and paper logs.

Computers and automation have created a problem where there was none before.  
Normally you would assume that the log of the originator would be the authority 
of what facts were sent. Ideally, If they logged their exchange incorrectly, 
they should pay a penalty.  But that is impossible to ascertain because of 
misuse, misunderstanding or incompetence.  I believe strongly that contests 
should be adjudicated simply and based solely on the data submitted.  Data 
elements should not be inferred from some out-of-band information like an RBN, 
or exchange elements falling within a tolerance level. If you can't readily 
determine a fact (e.g. time sent) in an absolute sense and with a high degree 
of certainty from the data submitted by the participants, then there is no 
point in exchanging that fact.  It subtracts value.

The time element of the BARTG exchange should be discarded in favor of 
something inherently idiot proof. 

Al
AB2ZY

-----Original Message-----
From: RTTY [mailto:rtty-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Ben Antanaitis - 
WB2RHM
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 8:09 PM
To: rtty-contesting.com
Subject: [RTTY] BARTG HF Contest 2015 Preliminary Results


On 05/09/2015 you wrote:

If the user used the {TIME2} macro in their strings then the time sent and 
logged and outputted in the cab file should be the same and nothing for them 
has changed at all before during and after the contest. If the user did not use 
the {TIME2} macro  (Their own fault for not reading the setup
instructions.) Then their time sent was probably going to be different.
Hope this answers all the questions..
73 Rick N2AMG


Rick,

Thanks, for taking your time to answer my questions. You explanation reassures 
me that my log, contest transmissions, and Cab data are all accurate, since I 
used {TIME2} where appropriate.

Thanks also, for all the time you and the team have invested in the 
N1MM+ upgrade.

73,

Ben - WB2RHM/4


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