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Re: [TenTec] Any issues with Corsair II --> SB-200 amp?

To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Any issues with Corsair II --> SB-200 amp?
From: Duane - N9DG <n9dg@yahoo.com>
Reply-to: tentec@contesting.com
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:38:14 -0800 (PST)
List-post: <mailto:tentec@contesting.com>
I would not directly key a 125V circuit either. In
fact the Corsair II manual specifially advises against
it. The EXT T/R section of the manual it says in part:

"One side of this switch is also at ground potential
and therefore should NOT be used to switch the 115/230
volt line"

I always use another relay as a matter of course
regardless of voltage level because it is a way to
assure DC isolation of the keying cicuit and helps to
avoid ground loops.

Duane
N9DG

--- denton <denton@oregontrail.net> wrote:

> The Corsair II...and I have one..does have a relay
> to key an amp..
> However I would use a second relay between the rig
> and the amp just to be 
> sure...
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "NJ0IP" <Rick@DJ0IP.de>
> To: <tentec@contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:19 PM
> Subject: RE: [TenTec] Any issues with Corsair II -->
> SB-200 amp?
> 
> 
> > The SB-200 does indeed have tuned inputs (only for
> 80/40/20/15/10 meter
> > bands) and will work just fine with the Corsair II
> (from an RF standpoint)
> > on these 5 bands.  The SB-200's T/R relay keys
> with -130v @0.051A., so 
> > that
> > prohibits keying it with an open collector
> circuit.  I can't remember if 
> > the
> > Corsair II also had a relay for keying external
> amps.  I think it does. 
> > If
> > it does, then enable it and it will key the -120v
> just fine.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sure someone here can tell us if the Corsair
> II has a keying relay for
> > the amp.  It will also be described in the user's
> manual if its in the 
> > rig.
> >
> >
> >
> > If the Corsair does not have a relay for keying
> the external Amp, you can
> > obtain a "Soft Key" kit from Rich Measures 
> (http://www.somis.org/) - I
> > think it only costs a couple of dollars.  You have
> to make a slight
> > modification to the SB-200's relay to enable it to
> key with +130v instead 
> > of
> > - 130v, but that's very simple to do.  After
> installing this simple kit, 
> > you
> > can key the amp with open collector circuitry.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you run a lot of CW, one problem you will
> probably run into over time 
> > is
> > arcing and possible burning of relay contacts on
> the SB-200's T/R relay.
> > This will happen regardless of whether you are
> keying with the softkey or
> > with the Corsair's relay (assuming it has one).
> >
> >
> >
> > The combination switches to TR to transmit fast
> enough because the Corsair
> > adds enough delay to allow for this.  The problem
> is, you really need to 
> > add
> > some delay before the Amp's T/R relay switches
> back to RX.  Otherwise you
> > will often incur the state where the relay has
> begun switching back to RX
> > when the TX signal comes again.  It is unable to
> change directions fast
> > enough to settle in the TX position before RF is
> applied, and it arcs. 
> > Not
> > bad the first 20 or 50 times it happens, but
> eventually it burns the relay
> > contacts enough that you incur errors.  This is
> typically a failure of the
> > relay to switch the antenna back to the
> transceiver in RX mode.  Easy to
> > recognize because you don't hear anything (or else
> it is very weak). In 
> > this
> > case, you have to clean the relay contacts with a
> burnishing tool.  This 
> > is
> > easy to do, but requires pulling the cabinet off
> of the amp.  How often 
> > this
> > is required will depend on your amount of use of
> the amp.  I found I was
> > cleaning mine every 2 or 3 months.  I finally
> built my own device to allow
> > me to adjust the relay delay and was able to
> eliminate this problem.  By 
> > the
> > way, my device also keys the -130v so you don't
> need the softkey.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rich also sells a kit for replacing the open-frame
> relay with a vacuum
> > relay, but that costs a bit more. Once you have
> installed this mod, you 
> > can
> > run full QSK with the SB-200 and the Corsair II.
> >
> >
> >
> > I also have to ask what you mean by "interface".
> >
> > There are probably all kinds of boxes available on
> the market which I am
> > unaware of.
> >
> >
> >
> > Gud luk and have fun with it.
> >
> >
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Rick



                
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