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Re: [TenTec] Centurion Amp Woes

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Centurion Amp Woes
From: "Dr. Gerald N. Johnson" <geraldj@storm.weather.net>
Reply-to: geraldj@storm.weather.net,Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:18:11 -0600
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On Sun, 2006-10-08 at 17:00 -0400, jamesmozzillo@aol.com wrote:
>  Probably the best method is not the instant on but keeping the filament on 
> at a warm setting and turning off the high voltage supply. This uses minimal 
> electrical energy while keeping the cathode warm and ready to go when the 
> amplifier is turned full on!
>  
>  Regards,
>  
>  Jim NC9J 
>     
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: john@gotwals.com
>  To: tentec@contesting.com
>  Sent: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 4:40 PM
>  Subject: Re: [TenTec] Centurion Amp Woes
>  
>   I was intrigued by Rog's longevity recommendation for "Instant On" tubes, 
> since I use a Drake L-4B amplifier. For ordinary tungsten light bulbs the 
> bulb's life can be shortened by frequent turn-on/off due to the thermal 
> expansion/contraction of the tungsten filament. In addition to the two 
> 3-500ZGs, my L-4B power supply has two series connected 50 watt bleeder 
> resistors which get exceedingly hot while the power is turned on, and I 
> would guess that thermal fatigue of these resistors might also be increased 
> by frequent turn-on/off.
> 
> I would be interested in other comments on the turn-on/off vs. leave it on 
> conundrum.
> 
> John, N9JG
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 15:26:45 -0400
> From: "RB" <K9RB@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Centurion Amp Woes
> To: "'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment'" <tentec@contesting.com>
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> 
> [snip]
> I also might suggest that with an amplifier using 3-500Z type "Instant On"
> tubes, you will increase longevity of the tubes, as well as save on your
> electric bill by turning the amplifier off whenever you do not anticipate it
> use during the upcoming 10-15 minutes. Since the tubes require virtually no
> warm up time, turning them off when not in use is a preferred mode of
> operation. Just the 5 volts at 15 Amps of current to each tube calculates to
> be 150 watts of wasted energy. Add the fan and HV transformer and you're
> likely looking as 250 watts just in the standby mode that you have been
> paying for, expended mostly in generating heat and contributing to shortened
> component life.
> [snip]
> 73, & Good Luck!, Rog-K9RB 
> 
Sometimes tube filaments are supplied with current limited transformers
to reduce the inrush. Lamp inrush current can be 16 times operating
current, that's why a thin filament seems to nearly always break during
that inrush period. Limiting inrush current to 2 or 3 times running
current should improve tube longevity in the on/off situation. Lamp life
too.

I'm not sure it can be applied to a tungsten tube filament, but rule of
thumb in a quartz lamp handbook is that lowering the supply voltage by
5% lowers the lamp light output by 10% and doubles the life. Conversely,
increasing lamp voltage by 5% raises the visible light 10% and cuts the
life in half.

Tubes at WWV are run with all votages cut way back and achieve tens of
thousands of hours of continuous operation.
-- 
73, Jerry, K0CQ,
All content copyright Dr. Gerald N. Johnson, electrical engineer

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