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Re: [TenTec] AM Receiver distortion in Orion II

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] AM Receiver distortion in Orion II
From: "Ron Castro" <ronc@sonic.net>
Reply-to: Ron Castro <ronc@sonic.net>, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 08:53:08 -0800
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The standard 20 kHz roofing filter would work fairly well if incorporated with a 12 kHz DSP filter.

     Ron Castro
Chief Technical Officer
 Results Radio, LLC
         N6IE
www.N6IE.com
(Formerly N6AHA)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimberly Elmore" <cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] AM Receiver distortion in Orion II


I haven't worked any AM yet with my O II, but I've listened a fair bit. I've not heard any of the distortion spoken of so far. But I'm certain that the 6 kHz bandwidth limit imposed by th eroofing filter severely affects the audio quality. There are no frequency components above 3 kHz hen using AM. Yet, if I listen to the same signal in SSB with the BW set to 6 kHz, AM sounds better than I've ever heard it. It seems that what we need for AM is a 12 kHz bandwidth roofing filter and 12 kHz DSP bandwidth.

Kim Elmore, N5OP

----- Original Message ----
From: Ron Castro <ronc@sonic.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:31:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] AM Receiver distortion in Orion II

The interesting thing about all of this is that on the Orion II AM stations sound substantially better in SSB (same 3 kHz audio BW) than they do in AM!
I still think there is a DSP problem in the AM detector algorithm.

     Ron N6IE
www.N6IE.com
(Formerly N6AHA)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Christensen" <w9ac@arrl.net>
To: "Carl Moreschi" <n4py@arrl.net>; "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"
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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] AM Receiver distortion in Orion II


Number 2, There is clearly a difference between the two recordings, so
maybe
someone in Tennessee has a tin ear?

I just ran the two audio clips through SpectraPlus FFT software. The .MP3
output is read directly by SpectraPlus internal to the sound card with no
audio cabling necessary.

The O2 has a sharp AM audio response cutoff at exactly 3 kHz (6 kHz of
BW),
as expected.  On the FFT display, it is clearly a very sharp DSP cut-off
with no detectable skirt.  Audio response cuts off at 3 kHz and nothing
escapes beyond that point.  The O2 low-end response extends to below 80
Hz,
but rolls off smoothly below 90 Hz.

On the TS-870, the AM response is also quite sharp, but cuts off at
approximately 3.7 kHz. What we are all hearing is the significance of the
speech intelligibility in the area between 3 and 4 kHz.  That region does
more to add speech intelligibility than any other area of the audible
spectrum.  This should come as no surprise when one looks at the
Fletcher-Munson family of loudness curves.  At approximately 3.5 kHz, the
ear is most sensitive to absolute sound pressure level. Why? Because the
ear canal terminates into the tympanic membrane and forms a closed
acoustical pipe whose average resonant frequency is -- about 3.5 kHz. The
exact point of resonance is a function of the length and diameter of our
individual ear canals.  So, a mere 700 Hz of added bandwidth makes a
significant difference in intelligibility and is one reason why ESSB
proponents have been advocating the use of extended-bandwidth SSB when
conditions permit.

Although things start sounding even better beyond 4 kHz, diminishing
returns
sets in quickly. In the interest of allowing operators the use of maximum
speech intelligibility versus spectrum conservation, 4 kHz for SSB and 8
kHz
for AM is an excellent choice for maximum occupied bandwidth when
operating
conditions allow it.

Paul, W9AC

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