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Re: [TenTec] Cheap SSB and not CW rig

To: gsm@mendelson.com, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Cheap SSB and not CW rig
From: Ken Brown <ken.d.brown@hawaiiantel.net>
Reply-to: ken.d.brown@hawaiiantel.net, Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:46:13 -1000
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Hi Geoffrey,


Wrong. You are assuming that a narrow SSB filter, which COULD be,
WOULD be. Quite simply it would not. So a user would be able to recieve
CW in USB mode with a 2.4 kHz bandwidth. Possible but not likely.
I have never had any trouble receiving CW with a 2.4 kHz wide, or wider IF bandwidth. And were talking about the additional cost of making the rig CW capable, versus SSB only. We're not talking about making it a high performance CW rig, unless you add options at additional cost. If you insist, to keep the cost down, we will not allow any options for CW or for SSB. CW operation in a SSB bandwidth is not a big problem for a basic rig.

How many CW ops on this list use a 2.4Khz IF filter/DSP bandwidth? I'm not
talking about a 2.4kHz roofing filter, I'm talking a total to your ears
badwidth of 2.4kHz.
As a Novice, I used a Hammarlund Super-Pro BC-779. I barely understood the operation of the crystal filter at that time, and virtually never used it for a CW QSO. Probably had a IF bandpass of 5 or 10 kHz with the bandwidth control in the center setting. To say that CW operation with a 2.4 kHz bandwidth filter is only possible, but not likely, is just nowhere near reasonable.



A matter of opinion. Some people would not mind unpluging their microphone
and plugging in a key some would.
We're talking cheap, so that we don't keep those SSB only newbies from being able to buy a rig, right? The SSB only ops will never notice, since they never unplug the mic and plug in a key anyway. Those who are willing to put in the effort to learn Morse, and try CW, probably also have enough initiative to add a separate key jack. We can include an extra hole on the back panel just for this. It will add virtually no cost to include another hole punch in the die that stamps out the back panel in one pressing. (or any number of other possible manufacturing processes that make the case, can easily include an extra hole at no cost.) ...Wait a minute, maybe you have a point here, to be really cheap, there is no microphone connector. The microphone coiled cord is hardwired. Yes, we really need to include that extra hole in the design. Until the extra jack is added by our new operator, he'll have to use the microphone PTT button as a key.
I would also design it differently. I would use a sythesized oscialtor
not a VFO and most likely a channelized digital one.
Okay, fine, even cheaper than an additional crystal. How much fun are these phone only newbies going to have being stuck on channels, when so many other hams can move to any frequency? "Sorry OM, I've got QRM up 1 kilohertz, I can't really copy you unless you can move down. 73 for now." Some body could sell them "sliders". Ten-four?
$10 in parts adds a lot to the cost of a radio. Depending upon the
retail markup, etc, if sold directly by Ten-Tec, it would add about $25.
If it were to be sold in a store like AES or HRO, it would add about
$50.
Hmmm...
But if you add your $10 in parts, plus an IF filter, even a 4 crystal one,
your $200 rig is a lot more money than $200. In the computer business it's
called "feature creep", and it just crept up another $50 to $100 depending
upon the filter.
The filter is an option. It won't be needed by the SSB only newbies, and it isn't essential to make the rig CW capable. So no cost to or feature creep. Or just forget any possibilities of options as suggested above.


I'm not trying to make a cheap rig to sell to CW ops, there are plenty of them,
I'm not trying to make a cheap rig to sell to contestors, it's just not
possbile.
Nor am I, I'm just saying that the additional cost of CW capability is really negligible. On the other hand adding SSB to a basic CW only rig is much more expensive, however that is not the topic of this discussion.
What I am trying to do is to make a cheap rig, as cheap as possible,
to attract hams who are not on the air and want to be. Ones with a limted
amount of money to spend on their hobbies, and who can't copy morse code.
I understand that. I don't think a channelized SSB rig, with no CW capability at all, would provide a very positive experience to a beginner. "I think I hear someone calling off frequency. Please try to get on frequency and join the round table. Over."
To answer another point, would you buy a radio at a hamfest or eBay if
you had no way of evaluating it? If you blew your ham radio budget on a
radio and found out it was broken and the seller disapeared? Would you
still be willing to buy those radios?

If you already have a radio or have the skills or equipment to fix one that
was broken from parts available from Radio Shack (do they still sell parts?),
you are not someone I am trying to reach.
Fine, I except the premise that we are trying to sell an new radio with a warranty, to a beginner who doesn't have the knowledge or the help of another ham, to be able to buy a used rig without a good chance of getting burned. So, we're selling him/her a really basic and cheap, brand new and warranted rig, to make it easy to get started and have some fun on HF. I stand by my claim that very little would be saved by making it with no CW functionality whatsoever. And there would be many, even newbies who haven't learned or tried CW yet, who might pass that rig up because it doesn't have the possibility of operating CW. Also, in order to be cheap, it has no built in tuner. How is this operator going to check SWR, or adjust an antenna tuner, if the rig won't put out a steady level signal? It almost has to have something like CW transmit functionality to check SWR or adjust a tuner. This person is not going to own any other instruments for checking the antenna, right? Even if he/she buys a pre-built dipole, they're going to want to have a way to check it. Maybe a go/no go LED that flashes on voice peaks if the SWR is too high. Certainly wouldn't want the rig to be able to put out a CW carrier.

DE N6KB


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