Think u read toouch into that last para homeboy
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On Nov 11, 2009, at 6:29 PM, "Marshall Stewart" <marsh@ka5m.net> wrote:
> Douglas,
>
> I'm the whiner? Exactly what did I whine about? Maybe you need to
> re-read
> the string of e-mails below. I'm not the one whining about Ten-
> Tec. You're
> already taking care of that.
>
> Do you even have a callsign?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-
> bounces@contesting.com]
> On Behalf Of Douglas Shock
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:44 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Fwd: Final Firmware O2
>
> Marshall...
>
> If you are asking what source of info I used to draw my conclusions
> that the
> big boys have moved on...well I can't say there is one defacto
> standard
> document I used to establish this viewpoint. However, go look at the
> equipment setups listed when scores are posted. Hum...that might
> tend to
> lead you to a new idea. Still try8ing to find your call on the top
> 10 list.
> Can you point me to something on this?
>
> I personally discredit most ARRL equipement reviews as crap at best.
> You
> want to hang your hat on Fox-in the - henhouse testing than be my
> guest.
>
> Let's not deviate from the original purpose of my breaking wind
> here. I
> think it was something to do with TenTec, I either love my radio and
> your a
> whiner, Or...you are a whiner because TenTec left the customer in
> the cold.
> Either why...let's get back on subject as this thread has lost its
> entertainment value.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Marshall Stewart <marsh@ka5m.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Douglas,
>>
>> You made a statement that "If it (the ORION II) was such a great and
>> finished product then why did most if not all of the Ham Radio's Top
>> contest-DX operators bail on TenTec?". I was just curious to know
>> what
>> source of information you based your statement on. Also, I was
>> curious to
>> know if your source also included information on what transceivers
>> "top
>> contest-DX operators" were bailing to. I find it telling that you
>> did not
>> respond to either question.
>>
>> The article in NCJ did not come out of a fiery bush onto a tablet of
> stone,
>> but the author did cite ARRL Lab test data. A reasonable person
>> might
>> consider that more than just "opinion".
>>
>> Marsh
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:tentec-
>> bounces@contesting.com]
>> On Behalf Of Douglas Shock
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:34 PM
>> To: tentec@contesting.com
>> Subject: [TenTec] Fwd: Final Firmware O2
>>
>> Well, I think it is the authors responsibility to not show BIAS so
>> I take
>> his review not as fact but as his opinion. If you choose to use this
>> authors
>> "opinion" as fact then more power to you. Secondly, do you place
>> yourself
>> in the ranks of ON4UN and company?
>>
>> Listen, I am just stating what I see as fact in my small meaningless
> little
>> world. I "Personally" disagree with TenTecs product management. I
>> am not
>> going to debate my own opinion with you or anybody else as this
>> reflector
>> wore me down years ago.
>>
>> So take your jab, have the last word...whatever it takes to ensure
>> "you"
>> are
>> happy.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Marshall Stewart <marsh@ka5m.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Douglas,
>>>
>>> What is your source of information for your following statement?
>>>
>>> "If it was such a great and finished product then why did most if
>>> not
> all
>>> of
>>> the Ham Radio's Top contest-DX operators bail on TenTec?"
>>>
>>> What did they bail to?
>>>
>>> The National Contest Journal July/August 2009 Volume 37 Number 4
> contains
>>> an
>>> extensive article on "Choosing an HF Radio for Serious Contesting
>>> and
>>> DXing". Of the four (4) transceivers the author picks, the Ten-Tec
> ORION
>>> II
>>> is one of them.
>>>
>>> I'm not convinced that I've ever missed a DX or contest QSO that I
>>> could
>>> have worked if I had been using something better than my ORION II.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Marsh, KA5M
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:
>> tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Douglas Shock
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:02 AM
>>> To: Scott Harwood; Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
>>> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Final Firmware O2
>>>
>>> Whiners? Do you really feel that was required Scott? So your level
>>> of
>>> expectation on a delivered product is different than others. I
> personally
>>> find no fault in OI-OII owners holding TenTec's feet to the fire
>>> on the
>>> marketing campaign they used for both radios. that hardly makes me a
>>> whiner.
>>> If it was such a great and finished product then why did most if
>>> not all
>> of
>>> the Ham Radio's Top contest-DX operators bail on TenTec? Maybe
>>> they knew
>>> something you don't?
>>>
>>> Sure, in its base form it is a fair radio. But face the facts
>>> man...you
>>> really believe they got the firmware right? And to release a beta
>>> with
>>> enhancements that in themselves are broke but no fixes and then are
> never
>>> heard from again? Sounds like the joke is on the operator if you
>>> support
>>> this business practice.
>>>
>>> So drive on if you still drink the TenTec coolaid or just find it
>> necessary
>>> to defend your spent monies. But respect the rights of others
>>> homie...
>>>
>>> Hiding behind your keyboard with big mouth and no accountability
>>> is not
> a
>>> good thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:25 AM, Scott Harwood
>>> <scotthsr@earthlink.net>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I couldn't have said it better, Dennis.
>>>>
>>>> Good job. I hope enough "whiners" read it.
>>>>
>>>> Palstar does have great stuff. I have two tuners. They could
>>>> improve
>> on
>>>> answering emails, though.
>>>>
>>>> Scott K4VWK
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Dennis OConnor <ad4hk2004@yahoo.com>
>>>>> Sent: Nov 11, 2009 8:37 AM
>>>>> To: tentec@contesting.com
>>>>> Subject: [TenTec] Final Firmware O2
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm, some of you need to cut back on the coffee...
>>>>>
>>>>> The O2 is a fine radio, well positioned in the upper reaches of
>>>>> ham
>>> radio
>>>> transceivers...
>>>>> The biggest whine I see is that they are not producing enough
> firmware
>>>> changes to make you happy..
>>>>> It appears that some believe the K3 radio with its rapid parade of
>>>> firmware revisions is somehow superior because it needs frequent
>> revising
>>> -
>>>> this does not bespeak superior, to me; adaptable maybe, a secondary
>> hobby
>>> in
>>>> it's own right, but not necessarily superior......
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I read the moaning about the O2 sweep; and they didn't do
>>>>> this,
>>> they
>>>> didn't do that, etc...
>>>>> Last time I checked the ads the K3 does not have a sweep screen...
>> But
>>>> somehow, not having a sweep screen makes it the superior radio,
> because
>>>> Orion is not upgrading its sweep screen fast enough - the logic of
> that
>>>> escapes me...
>>>>> If you want a radio with a fancy sweep screen get a Pro III...
>>>>> If you want an even fancier sweep screen get an LP PAN for your
>>>>> Orion
>> /
>>>> K3...
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want an even fancier radio get one of the $11K to $13K
>>>>> models
>>> from
>>>> the land of the rising sun - but don't expect the factory to answer
> the
>>>> phone and put the technician that built and aligned your radio on
>>>> the
>>> phone
>>>> to talk you through a problem - which both Orion and Elecraft do
>>>> routinely...
>>>>>
>>>>> I happen to have the O2... I have looked hard at the K3 with the
>>>>> more
>>>> capable sub receiver - as recently as 2 weeks ago... But, the less
>>>> desirable ergonomics of the radio outweigh the receiver advantage
>>>> and
> I
>>>> opted to stay with the Orion for the third year... The O2 has the
>>>> best
>>>> combination of receiver and ergonomics I have found in 45 years
>>>> of ham
>>>> radio...
>>>>>
>>>>> Lastly, I am thrilled to have Ten Tec and Elecraft slugging it
>>>>> out in
>>> the
>>>> ham radio arena... A vast improvement over the import radios that
>>>> have
>>>> dominated the ham business for some time..
>>>>> And while I am mentioning US companies, let me point out that
>>>>> PALSTAR
>>>> acquired the Commander amplifiers and has put considerable time,
>>> innovation,
>>>> and money, into improving those amps until they appear to me, to be
> the
>>> best
>>>> amps in the business... They now have a complete line of tuners,
>> meters
>>> and
>>>> high quality amps... You could do a lot worse than spend your ham
>>> dollars
>>>> with them - and drive that amp with a new O2 or K3...
>>>>>
>>>>> denny / k8do
>>>>>
>>>>>
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