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Re: [TenTec] Corsair II sidetone mod

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Corsair II sidetone mod
From: Frank <frankkamp@att.net>
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:20:07 -0500
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Does the Corsair II have an internal keyer?

Joe wrote:

I agree Paul, if 2 or 3 bucks is important to you, then the Twin-T is the way to go. I agree, it is a more complex solution. The hardware might be slightly more complex, but I would venture a guess that the DDS solution has fewer parts once the keying and interface components are added to the Twin-T. The firmware is complex, but is available at not cost. If you want to hear the artifact of the Corsair II's QSK, just disable the sidetone and hit the key. You will hear the thump. It is not related to any sidetone implementation.

I think the DDS solution is better. While the Twin-T gives a nice sine wave, my observation of both on the oscilloscope shows less distortion in the DDS sine wave. It also has more output. The waveform is much better with the DDS. Why? 1) When keyed, the DDS always begins and ends at zero phase where as the Twin-T begins and ends at random phase. That makes for better keying waveform. 2) The audio envelope shape is much better also because amplitude weighting of the leading and trailing edges is accomplished in firmware by starting at -18 dB (relative to the max amplitude) on the leading edge and increased in 3db steps, each increase being applied at zero phase. The trailing edge is shaped in like manner.

I have the DDS circuit in my Corsair II and I am very pleased with it. I was not pleased with the Twin-T, but it was much better than the original. I also have the DDS circuit in a code practice oscillator. It is the best sounding one that I have ever heard.

Joe, N4YG
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Christensen" <w9ac@arrl.net>
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Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Corsair II sidetone mod


Darn, for a small fraction of the circuit complexity and cost, the Twin-T
oscillator can be used.  I noticed that Joe, N4YG tried the Twin-T on his
Corsair II but stated that he "...could never get smooth keying..."

Ten years ago, N4LQ suggested that I try a frequency-variable Twin-T, stolen
direct from the Omni V schematic diagram.

http://www.qsl.net/tentec/mods/sidetone.pdf

N4LQ applied it to one of his Omni D transceivers and I used it in a Triton
IV.  Neither of us heard the slightest trace of a QSK artifact.  Anyway, I
would first try the Twin-T as implemented by Ten Tec in the Omni V, then
explore the more complex alternative option if not satisfied.

Paul, W9AC

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hunt" <steve@karinya.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Corsair II sidetone mod


Jerry,

You would certainly get two of those boards within ExpressPCB's
MiniBoardPro outline - maybe more. That option gives you 3 boards - and
therefore at least 6 sidetone boards - for $75 plus delivery.

73,
Steve G3TXQ

On 15/10/2011 22:23, Jerry Haigwood wrote:
Glenn,
     I guess it would depend on how many people were interested.  To
keep
board prices down, you need to sell 50 or so PCBs.  The board would be
small
- maybe 1.5 inch x 1.5 inch and the cost of the parts should be low also.
Just depends on how many people would want a board or kit.
Jerry W5JH

-----Original Message-----
From: tentec-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com]
On Behalf Of Glenn
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 3:34 PM
To: tentec@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Corsair II sidetone mod

Wonder if Jerry would be interested in building some boards..Just a
thought.


Glenn WA4AOS
DSM Labs



-----Original Message-----
From: Barry N1EU<barry.n1eu@gmail.com>
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment<tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 11:54 am
Subject: [TenTec] Corsair II sidetone mod


N4YG developed a nifty and elegant sine wave sidetone mod for the
Corsair II.  I posted all the info with Joe's approval at:
http://corsair.wikidot.com/corsair-sidetone

Joe is on this reflector, so any comments/questions can probably be
directed here.

73,
Barry N1EU
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