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Re: [TenTec] 566 Orion II Firmware Version V3.029---SpectrumDisplay &Tun

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] 566 Orion II Firmware Version V3.029---SpectrumDisplay &Tuning...
From: "Bob McGraw - K4TAX" <RMcGraw@Blomand.net>
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Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 20:35:47 -0500
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According to Art Collins, generally credited with the adoption of the S meter system, it was intended to give meaningful signal strength reports. The old "green magic eye" on radios was a tuning indicator. Yes, the original value per my Collins 75A-3B manual shows S-9 = 100 uV.

Sitting here this evening in front of my Omni VII listening to WWV on 10 MHz, at 100% RF Gain the S meter indicates S-9 +6dB. Switching in the ATTN in 6 dB steps to 18 dB the S meter stays at S-9 +6dB. The answer is simple. Add 18 dB of attenuation to the input, which automatically adds 18 dB of gain to the S meter circuit. The opposite is true when the preamp is engaged. Add 12 dB of gain to the receiver circuit which automatically adds 12 dB of loss to the S meter circuit. I refer to this as a smart S meter system. SMART = Signal Measurement, Accurate, Reliable, True

The Eagle, no matter what one does in terms of Attenuation or RF Gain or Preamp activation, the S meter reading does not change. Again, same concept.

Think about it, if you are receiving a station at S-9 + 20 dB and you switch in 18 dB of attenuation, did you change his signal strength at the input of your radio? The answer is NO. You changed the signal at the input to the receiver first stage. Then shouldn't the S meter always reflect the signal strength regardless of what one did to their receiver gain system? Hence you can always be assured that the S meter system in the Tentec Omni VII and Eagle will reflect the correct value at the input to the radio.

Even with a signal at the input of -23 dBm or 15,811 uV which is 50 dB over S 9, reduction of the RF Gain to 0% the S meter does not change. It still shows the signal at 50 dB over S 9, hence the system inversely adds gain to the S meter circuit to make up for the reduction in RF Gain. Therefore, the S meter is correct reading regardless of RF Gain setting. Of course once you remove the 50 dB over S 9 signal with RF Gain at 0% you will see the S meter display drop to 40 dB over S 9. The point being that the RF Gain does not affect the accuracy of the S meter reading above AGC threshold.

Now what one does see with no signal applied, as one reduces the RF Gain the S meter moves upscale in 6 dB increments or 1 S unit. This reflects the threshold of AGC reference to S 9 being 50 uV. At 100% RF Gain, as one engages the ATTN function in 6 dB increments you will observe the S meter indication move up scale 1 S unit per 6 dB. Now once reaching 18 dB, engage the Preamp and you will see the S meter move down scale by 2 S units indication that 12 dB of gain has been added.

All of the math works and so does the radio respond accordingly.

73
Bob, K4TAX


----- Original Message ----- From: <k3miy@csonline.net>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] 566 Orion II Firmware Version V3.029---SpectrumDisplay &Tuning...


You're right, Ray. In the old days, the S meter was regarded as a
tuning aid, and nothing else.

Ron
K3MIY


Quoting Rsoifer@aol.com:

Not only that, but the old Collins spec was 3 S units = 10 dB, not the
modern standard of 6 dB per S unit.

More broadly, I'm afraid I just don't understand the continuing
preoccupation with S meter and spectrum display issues. Neither has much to
do with
performance, which is where I'd like to see T-T focus their attention. Flak

jacket on!

73 Ray W2RS
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