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Re: [TenTec] Corsair noise blanker and frequency display

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Corsair noise blanker and frequency display
From: "Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP" <Rick@DJ0IP.de>
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 23:10:47 +0100
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Well they fit just fine internally, and I don't think adding a filter at
this point in time is going to affect the resale value of the rig.  

BTW, I used tiny relays to switch the CW filter in or out.
And thinking about it, I can't really say anymore if I cascaded the two
filters, or just switched back and forth between them.  

I did that mod in 1975... almost 40 years ago.  I had it well documented,
but in the hard copy manual of the rig, which I gave to its new owner in
France - and that was about 15 years ago.  Sure wish I had kept it.  I had
just bought a Scout and figured I wouldn't need the old Argonaut anymore.
Come to think of it, that must have been 20 years ago.

73 - Rick, DJ0IP
(Nr. Frankfurt am Main)


-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Barry N1EU
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 10:51 PM
To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Corsair noise blanker and frequency display

There was an article in QST a while back (early 80's ?) about adding 9MHz
Ten-Tec filters externally to the Triton.

73, Barry N1EU

On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Rick - DJ0IP / NJ0IP <Rick@dj0ip.de> wrote:
> Allen, why don't you add some selectivity to the Triton.
> I did it to the Argonaut 505 and 509 so there is certainly room to do 
> it to the Triton.
>
> In my case I replaced the Argonaut's 4-pole discrete Xtals filter 
> (SSB) with a KVG 8-pole Xtal filter, then added a 6-pole 500 Hz filter 
> in series with it.  I used on out of an early Yaesu transceiver.  
> This, together with the standard audio filter gave the rig excellent
selectivity.
>
> 73 - Rick, DJ0IP
> (Nr. Frankfurt am Main)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of A R
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 8:00 PM
> To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment
> Subject: Re: [TenTec] Corsair noise blanker and frequency display
>
> Bob,
> Yeah, the random number generator on the display is the display 
> itself. The frequency itself is rock-solid, and after one minute, the 
> display homes in on the actual frequency.
>
> Having struggled with a variety of ineffective nb's on several 
> high-tech transceivers that were unable to cope with my noise, I was 
> really impressed by the TRITON's ability to eliminate the noise. If 
> only the TRITON had the selectivity of the Corsair, or the Corsair had 
> the NB effectiveness of the TRITON, I'd be a real happy camper. An 
> outboard ANC-4 noise canceller works pretty well most of the time, but 
> the Triton's nb works all the time, without having to fiddle with 
> tuning adjustments, and I hate using outboard band-aids. I'm looking 
> seriously at adapting the Triton 249 NB into the Corsair.
>
> 73,
> Allen--W7GIF
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Bob McGraw - K4TAX<mailto:RMcGraw@Blomand.net>
>   To: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment<mailto:tentec@contesting.com>
>   Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 11:30 AM
>   Subject: Re: [TenTec] Corsair noise blanker and frequency display
>
>
>   I wonder if this is a display issue or are the oscillators actually 
> changing
>   frequency and same is being displayed.  I have an older radio, non 
> Tentec,
>
>   that when first turned on the display looks more like the lights on a
>   pinball machine.  The oscillators are moving as well as the display
>   reference frequency.  It is a real hoot to watch for about the first 30
>   minutes or so then it finally settles down.
>
>   As to noise blankers, historically I've found only a very few really
good
>   noise blankers and at that same time there's a lot of noise 
> blankers.  The
>
>   Collins variable blanking bandwidth system seems to always be the best.
> The
>   rest are mostly copies and less effective compromises.  Of recent, the
>   hardware NB as used in the Eagle is one of the better systems.  One 
> factor
>
>   that seems to impact the effectiveness is more related to where the 
> blanking
>   takes place as related to the AGC system.  And as Rob Sherwood
concluded,
>   the AGC has a notable effect on pulse type noise.
>
>   73
>   Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "k6jek" <k6jek@comcast.net<mailto:k6jek@comcast.net>>
>   To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment"
> <tentec@contesting.com<mailto:tentec@contesting.com>>
>   Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:14 PM
>   Subject: Re: [TenTec] Corsair noise blanker and frequency display
>
>
>   > FWIW my Corsair does exactly the same thing on both counts.
>   >
>   > On Feb 3, 2014, at 9:12 AM, A R wrote:
>   >
>   >> I received my newly acquired Corsair (not II), s/n  718, and have a
>   >> couple of questions:
>   >>
>   >> At cold start-up in the morning, it takes about a minute for the
>   >> displayed frequency to stabilize and display the actual frequency.
> During
>   >> that warm-up minute, all the display digits are toggling 
> "randomly". Is
>
>   >> this a common issue with the Corsairs? Is there a remedy?
>   >>
>   >> The noise blanker is ineffective with respect to eliminating or even
>   >> noticeably reducing powerline-generated noise that my TRITON noise
>   >> blanker completely eliminates. Again, is this a common issue with the
>   >> Corsairs. If so, has anyone developed a modification that improves
the
>   >> effectiveness of the NB? The TRITON's NB is so effective in 
> eliminating
>
>   >> at least the noise that plagues me, I'd sure like to get the same NB
>   >> effectiveness out of the Corsair. The NB's of the TRITON and 
> Corsair are
>   >> architecturally the same (signal flow and conditioning), so if the
>   >> Corsairs have characteristically ineffective noise limiters, my
>   >> powerline-generated noise is enough of an operating problem, that 
> I would
>   >> even entertain adapting the TRITON's NB to the Corsair....as a last
>   >> resort.
>   >>
>   >> Allen------W7GIF
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