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Re: [TenTec] Wrong Product - Eagle

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Wrong Product - Eagle
From: Art Roberts <w1aer@earthlink.net>
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Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 17:41:12 -0500
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In the cold, harsh light of day, I think that Louis really addresses many of the issues facing TT.

As a professional photographer, I know that the photos on the website are really bad and should have never been seen on the net. And, like Louis also said, the products should not be shown if not available. Brings back memories of 'Vaporware', on many new software companies websites.

Like everyone here, I really hope that TT can really put together a great recovery. I am looking forward to new rigs, that _really_ work well, like in the past.

73 es DX
Art
w1aer


On 2/20/2017 5:10 PM, Louis Ciotti wrote:
Here is the problem with Tec Tec right now.

Most people go to websites to look for information.  I am looking for
information on TenTec, I go to the site.  I am met with a home page
that shows photos of 6 possible transceivers, and 2 receivers. Some of
the photos are OK, but they all are grainy, one is down right bad. It
looks amateur-"ish".

OK so lets get past that, let try and buy a radio... ooopps.. it goes
to a under construction page. No mention of the production "pause",
future production plans, nothing... hmmm

OK.... lets get more information... how about the About page... Well
at least this has some information, but it appears dated, and with
this recent news coming via a third party to an e-mail reflector, that
the first production radios will be "eagles" with basically no
updates.  The site states differently, it talks about an Omni 7+, then
a "Super Eagle" then an Orion III... Wait... this all is familiar, oh
yea that same text was published 1 year ago, so that is dated, and
obviously wrong.

OK lets go further... I have a tentec, and they are repairing radios,
lets get that out for repair... Go to service, click the contact us
link... ooopps now I am at mirror of an old site and have a 404
error...

Grrrr.. maybe there is something in the news section... Nope, just a
check back regularly notice...

OK lets go to the contact page.. Hey some useful links finally... but
what is this??  All over the site there are comments about not
contacting Distronix about anything tentec related, but it looks like
if you are a commercial company or government customer you get to call
Distronix..  Well I guess we know who they care about....

All of this adds up to people thinking TenTec is gone... or at least
no longer viable long term option

My thoughts:

1) if the radio is not in production, DON'T put it on the products page

2) If I can't order a radio, DON'T even have a products page, because
lets face it, if I can't order a radio, you are not producing radios,
are you a radio manufacture?

3) If you do have service available, have the service page actually
work, and oh have a phone number that people can call, even if it just
goes to voice mail, and oh BTW check the voice mail, and respond. If
you can't have someone to answer the phone, again that leaves an
unsettled feeling with people. After all you are trusting people to
send in their radio for repair, it would be nice to talk to someone
about it.  I am not saying you have to have a tech man the line, it
can just be a person who documents the problem, and files the RMAs, a
pretty low skill position that can't cost that much money.

4) A lot of the website talks about how much better new management is
doing, seems sort of thing someone would say in house, not to
customers.  Really we do not need to hear how much better you are than
the last guy, prove it with actions not words.

5) Post company news via proper channels, not via a e-mail reflector
through another person.  Company information should come from the
company and nobody else. TenTec needs a face and a voice for the
amateur crowd, and right now all they have is an "OK" website, and
second hand forwarded e-mails..

6) If TenTec is going to make a radio, then fine, figure out the
production time line, price point etc. internally, and then ounce that
is locked down and you have committed to doing it the post it
publicly, and promote it, and oh BTW don't count on a limit run of
radios to keep you afloat, that will never work, it is just kicking
the can down the road. The eagle was released when 2010/2011??  your
going to save the company with 7 year old tech?

I give Mike credit for taking on this beast, and I had hoped he would
have been able to turn things around by now, but I am left feeling
like he is in well over his head.

Just my $0.02 take it for what it is...

On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 3:58 PM, terry foskey via TenTec
<tentec@contesting.com> wrote:
You will never sell eagles at the proposed price point.  I was not proposing an 
OMNI VII only the form factor ie user interface of a box similar in size or 
between the Orion and the Omni VII.  What i propose uses the Eagle receiver and 
perhaps transmit sections but in a different package.


       From: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
  To: 'terry foskey' <n5tf@yahoo.com>; 'Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment' 
<tentec@contesting.com>
  Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 2:48 PM
  Subject: RE: [TenTec] Wrong Product - Eagle

Terry,

I would respectfully disagree with you in part.

Considering that the Omni VII is the older of the two designs, it makes
sense to bring back the Eagle first.  Less chance of parts suddenly becoming
unobtanium, one of the hottest receivers on the market at the time (remember
the upgrade to the Orion/Orion II second receiver was the Eagle receiver
design, as I recall), and a relatively compact design.

If were Mike to ask for my input, which he has not, my only quibble would be
to make the "bare bones" Eagles all with the antenna tuner.  You can achieve
a bit of an economy of scale that way, and it would be a good selling point
when compared to the imported rigs for less money that come an AT installed.

Now, with that said...

I would agree that, if I were asked, which I have not, that the first "new"
rig would logically be an updated Omni VII.  Take the Eagle design, bring it
up to date with technology from the last few years, possibly add either a
second receiver or the capability to add one later (a simple add-in board,
perhaps).  Use the larger rig form factor of an Omni VII or an Orion for the
purpose of ergonomics (I've used a K3, and I really dislike the small knobs
and the relatively crowded front panel... But I don't wan an all menu driven
rig, either).

Once that's done, if I were asked, which I have not, I'd then suggest
updating the Eagle.  So the two primary HF rigs would be the 'updated' Eagle
and the 'updated' Omni VII, whatever names/numbers end up being hung on
them.

Oh, and I would also (if asked) suggest bringing the Rebel & Patriot back
sooner than later, and yes, I know that the old CPU is out of production and
this would require a small redesign.  They were selling quite well for a
while, and it looked as though they were a big hit with those interested in
Open Source and similar 'mod' projects.  Both were essentially single board
rigs, as I recall, with a simple case.  Should be easy to put back in
production (oh, sure) compared to the other rigs.

...and if at all possible, I'd hope Mike can have rigs with him at
Hamvention (I guess we can't call it Dayton anymore, can we?  Xenia
Hamvention just doesn't have the ring to it though).  I think it would be a
huge postitive PR step to not just SAY that the gear is back in production,
but to SHOW them, and display them ready for sale NOW.  If Mike were to ask
my opinion, that is, which he has not.

Back to the contest!

73. ron w3wn

-----Original Message-----
From: TenTec [mailto:tentec-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of terry
foskey via TenTec
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 11:58 AM
To: TenTec@contesting.com
Cc: terry foskey
Subject: [TenTec] Wrong Product - Eagle

I personally believe the Eagle is the wrong product to hang a radio restart
on.  Piggy back on the OMNI VII and Orion 2. Take a form factor somewhere
near the Omni VII box, slap two eagle receivers in it, nice pad adapter
screen  with an output for a larger screen, IF Out and you could compete
with elecraft and others.  The user interface alone on the Tentec will run
circles around the Elecraft.  Perhaps Im wrong but I don't believe the Eagle
has the demand.
N5TFTerry
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