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Re: [TenTec] Omni V I Assistance Needed

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Subject: Re: [TenTec] Omni V I Assistance Needed
From: Byron Cordes via TenTec <tentec@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment <tentec@contesting.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 17:33:58 -0500
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The radio is a Omni VI.  Radio does rx and tx . can here and talk to people 
even on 20 meters where that vfo noise is . Higher noise floor on 40- 160 you 
don’t here the vfo noise but on 20 meters it is very loud higher than the 
people talking when tuning . Stop turning vfo and radio sounds normal with 
people talking .

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> On Sep 29, 2018, at 5:23 PM, MadScientist <dukeshifi@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I misread… I was focussed on a previous radio (a Paragon).
> 
> Your problem is most certainly due to the fact that the 5.0 to 5.5 MHz PLL is 
> going out of lock. This model does not produce any out-of-lock fault 
> regardless of the lock condition of the PLL so it can be out-of-lock with no 
> indication of that condition. The radio will still produce normal band hiss 
> but you will not be able to tune in signals.
> 
> Oddly, he radio will still transmit in this condition, but well out of the 
> Ham bands! It will transmit on the frequency at which the VCO settles when 
> out-of lock, about 14.6 MHz, regardless of dial setting or display readout 
> reading. It will also be very unstable.
> 
> From what you describe (now that I am on the right page model-wise) i would 
> suggest replacing the dual gate MOSFET in the loop IF. 
> 
> I recently repaired an Omni 6 that had the same problem as your Omni 5 has. 
> That FET was the culprit and what’s worse, it pulled the alignment due to 
> leakage of the device. It was highly intermittent. The heat/cool method was 
> the only way I could point to it, but monitoring the loop test point was the 
> only way I could prove it to myself.
> 
> The way to really determine if this is the fault is to put a voltmeter on the 
> 10K resistor test point of the loop IF (That resistor stands up on the board 
> whereas all of the others lie down, and the test point is the high end of 
> that resistor (thankfully). Then, from a cold start of the radio, monitor 
> that voltage as the warmup progresses. While the PLL will lock with as little 
> as 80 mV at t his point, it will be unstable. You SHOULD get, as I said, >300 
> mV at all three band test frequencies.
> 
> The actually band selection is not important because this PLL operates the 
> same regardless of band. However, an exception exists in that the PLL will 
> not tune to “500” position on 40 meters.
> 
> Also, the PLL tunes in opposite directions on low bands and high bands. That 
> is why I chose 20 meters to select which coil to peak at what frequency.
> 
> I used a BF988, available from Littediode on eBay to replace the loop IF FET. 
> The devices I get for Littlediode always work so they are a safe seller IMHO.
> 
> You may need to align the loop IF if you do not get at least 300 mV DC on the 
> loop IF test point on all portions of the band (14.000, 14.250 and 14.500) 
> since this is a broadly tuned LC IF stage that was likely originally aligned 
> using a sweep generator.
> 
> I approximated the sweep generator by aligning the three IF coils, one a tach 
> frequency test point. The left most I peaked at 14.200, the middle one at 
> 14.250 and the right most one at 14.500 (radio on 20 meters, of course).
> 
> Gary
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2018, at 3:42 PM, Dry Martini Holding Company😎 <qrp@kg4kgl.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a similar issue with my V.9. When I first turn it on, it will be fine 
>> then recv audio will drop out. If I leave it on for 15 or 20 min, recv audio 
>> becomes normal again and is fine the rest of the day. 
>> st point
>> I sent mine to steve Yudell in Florida and he had it for a couple of weeks 
>> and it worked fine for him after he went through it. Now that I have it back 
>> it has started doing it again. I just don’t feel like boxing it up and 
>> sending it back. I am just going to live with it. 
>> 
>> If you find out what the problem is, let me know. 
>> 
>> Robert 
>> KG4KGL 
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2018, at 15:40, arsn4dd@charter.net wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there an Omni V mechanic in the house? My radio is going to need
>>> one if it doesn't straighten up... HI HI 
>>> I have a very sparingly-used Omni V.9 that has developed an
>>> intermittent receive issue. From a cold start, the radio powers up and
>>> operates properly. After some random period of time, I can power cycle
>>> the radio, and as a result, I lose receive signals. I retain plenty of
>>> audio, and plenty of what sounds like band noise, but there no signals
>>> anywhere. I can leave the radio off for a couple of minutes, power it
>>> up, and the signals return. Before the suggestion is floated, I have
>>> exercised every connection in the radio with DeOxit. I have tightened
>>> and re-tightened every screw on every board in the radio. I have not,
>>> however re-seated any of the chips. Is there enough information here
>>> to generate suggestions? I admit to being mostly an appliance
>>> operator, but I might be capable of doing a few diagnostics. Thanks in
>>> advance for any guidance. 
>>> Best Regards to all!
>>> Dennis N4DD
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