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Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

To: ZR <zr@jeremy.mv.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'
From: Dick Green WC1M <wc1m73@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 04:02:21 -0500
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Nope. The rule says *all* transmitters, receivers, and antennas must be in the 
*same* 500m circle. I guess the circle moves around with mobile stations, but I 
don't think anyone is worried about those guys.

73, Dick WC1M

On Feb 11, 2011, at 6:55 PM, "ZR" <zr@jeremy.mv.com> wrote:

> So does that mean the guy in his Brooklyn hi rise without any gear can 
> operate X number of stations in the US in say the 160M contest and likely 
> win? There is no rule I see about not moving the 500m entity X times just as 
> their is no rule about a cross country trucker operating and submitting a 
> log..
> 
> Carl
> KM1H
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dick Green WC1M" <wc1m73@gmail.com>
> To: "'Robert McGwier'" <rwmcgwier@gmail.com>; "Tree" <tree@kkn.net>
> Cc: <topband@contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'
> 
> 
>> Your SDR was effectively a "remote receiver" used by the DX station. 
>> Credit
>> for contacts made utilizing remote receivers depends on the rules 
>> governing
>> specific awards and contests. Here's the relevant rule governing DXCC
>> credit:
>> 
>> 9. All stations must be contacted from the same DXCC entity. The location 
>> of
>> any station shall be defined as the location of the transmitter. For the
>> purposes of this award, remote operating points must be located within the
>> same DXCC entity as the transmitter and receiver.
>> 
>> As you can see, this isn't completely clear. In the first part of the
>> sentence, "remote operating points" is not defined. Does that include only
>> the transmitter, as defined in the second sentence, or both the 
>> transmitter
>> and receiver, as suggested by the second part of the third sentence? In
>> fact, the second part of the third sentence appears to contradict the 
>> second
>> sentence! My guess is that they want the transmitter and receiver to be
>> located in the same DXCC entity, but this is not stated explicitly.
>> 
>> Fortunately, the situation is much clearer for ARRL contests, and for most
>> CQ contests: remote receivers are not allowed. Period. (Well, except for 
>> the
>> Extreme category in CQ WW.) For ARRL, the definition of a remote receiver
>> rests on General Rule 5.3, which states that all transmitters, receivers 
>> and
>> antennas must be within a 500m circle. Since the 160m contact made by the 
>> DX
>> station utilized a transmitter in his location and a remote receiver (your
>> SDR and antenna) located more than 500m from the transmitter, it would not
>> be eligible for credit in any ARRL contest and in most CQ contests and
>> categories.
>> 
>> However, note that the ARRL rules on remote receivers do not preclude the
>> operator from being outside the circle. So, you can remotely operate a
>> station that's anywhere else in the world. The location of the transmitter
>> and receiver (which must be within the same 500m circle) defines where the
>> station is located, not the op's location. So, if you operate a 
>> transmitter
>> and receiver located within the same 500m circle in Ghana, and you are
>> sitting comfortably in your easy chair in Brooklyn, NY, running the 
>> station
>> over the Internet, the contact is perfectly legal for ARRL contests and
>> counts as having been made from Ghana.
>> 
>> Hope this clarifies the issue, at least a little.
>> 
>> 73, Dick WC1M
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert McGwier [mailto:rwmcgwier@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 1:27 PM
>> To: Tree
>> Cc: topband@contesting.com
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'
>> 
>> As a Software Radio Developer and chair of the ARRL Software Defined Radio
>> and Digital Communications technical committee, as a DXCC recipient,
>> contester, and as a ham radio operator period, I abhor this misuse of the
>> technology.  Boo Hiss indeed.
>> 
>> Bob
>> N4HY
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Tree <tree@kkn.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 07:21:26PM -0800, Bob Kupps wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What is the ethical position on this, it sure seems wrong to me
>>> 
>>> What country are the people really "working" with their radio?
>>> 
>>> There is not a two way exchange of information with someone in a
>>> single country - therefore - no QSO.  The DX station is making
>>> these QSOs not count.  If caught - they will not be accepted for
>>> DXCC.
>>> 
>>> Next step - put the transmitter there too and make it even easier!!
>>> 
>>> Boo hiss!!
>>> 
>>> Tree N6TR
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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