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Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

To: "Dick Green WC1M" <>
Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'
From: "ZR" <>
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 09:52:05 -0500
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Theoretically a well equipped QRO mobile could win a 10M contest just by 
having dead band access to almost every state for multipliers and likely 
good access to the Carribean, etc.

Granted its a stretch and not about 160M but contesters have always been 
creative. A prime example is the earliest stations to use 2 radios for 
single op since there were no rules against it. That goes back to at least 
the 60's. Now it has its own class.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Green WC1M" <>
To: "ZR" <>
Cc: "Dick Green WC1M" <>; "Robert McGwier" 
<>; "Tree" <>; <>
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'

Nope. The rule says *all* transmitters, receivers, and antennas must be in 
the *same* 500m circle. I guess the circle moves around with mobile 
stations, but I don't think anyone is worried about those guys.

73, Dick WC1M

On Feb 11, 2011, at 6:55 PM, "ZR" <> wrote:

> So does that mean the guy in his Brooklyn hi rise without any gear can
> operate X number of stations in the US in say the 160M contest and likely
> win? There is no rule I see about not moving the 500m entity X times just 
> as
> their is no rule about a cross country trucker operating and submitting a
> log..
> Carl
> KM1H
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dick Green WC1M" <>
> To: "'Robert McGwier'" <>; "Tree" <>
> Cc: <>
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'
>> Your SDR was effectively a "remote receiver" used by the DX station.
>> Credit
>> for contacts made utilizing remote receivers depends on the rules
>> governing
>> specific awards and contests. Here's the relevant rule governing DXCC
>> credit:
>> 9. All stations must be contacted from the same DXCC entity. The location
>> of
>> any station shall be defined as the location of the transmitter. For the
>> purposes of this award, remote operating points must be located within 
>> the
>> same DXCC entity as the transmitter and receiver.
>> As you can see, this isn't completely clear. In the first part of the
>> sentence, "remote operating points" is not defined. Does that include 
>> only
>> the transmitter, as defined in the second sentence, or both the
>> transmitter
>> and receiver, as suggested by the second part of the third sentence? In
>> fact, the second part of the third sentence appears to contradict the
>> second
>> sentence! My guess is that they want the transmitter and receiver to be
>> located in the same DXCC entity, but this is not stated explicitly.
>> Fortunately, the situation is much clearer for ARRL contests, and for 
>> most
>> CQ contests: remote receivers are not allowed. Period. (Well, except for
>> the
>> Extreme category in CQ WW.) For ARRL, the definition of a remote receiver
>> rests on General Rule 5.3, which states that all transmitters, receivers
>> and
>> antennas must be within a 500m circle. Since the 160m contact made by the
>> DX
>> station utilized a transmitter in his location and a remote receiver 
>> (your
>> SDR and antenna) located more than 500m from the transmitter, it would 
>> not
>> be eligible for credit in any ARRL contest and in most CQ contests and
>> categories.
>> However, note that the ARRL rules on remote receivers do not preclude the
>> operator from being outside the circle. So, you can remotely operate a
>> station that's anywhere else in the world. The location of the 
>> transmitter
>> and receiver (which must be within the same 500m circle) defines where 
>> the
>> station is located, not the op's location. So, if you operate a
>> transmitter
>> and receiver located within the same 500m circle in Ghana, and you are
>> sitting comfortably in your easy chair in Brooklyn, NY, running the
>> station
>> over the Internet, the contact is perfectly legal for ARRL contests and
>> counts as having been made from Ghana.
>> Hope this clarifies the issue, at least a little.
>> 73, Dick WC1M
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert McGwier []
>> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 1:27 PM
>> To: Tree
>> Cc:
>> Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating'
>> As a Software Radio Developer and chair of the ARRL Software Defined 
>> Radio
>> and Digital Communications technical committee, as a DXCC recipient,
>> contester, and as a ham radio operator period, I abhor this misuse of the
>> technology.  Boo Hiss indeed.
>> Bob
>> N4HY
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Tree <> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 07:21:26PM -0800, Bob Kupps wrote:
>>>> What is the ethical position on this, it sure seems wrong to me
>>> What country are the people really "working" with their radio?
>>> There is not a two way exchange of information with someone in a
>>> single country - therefore - no QSO.  The DX station is making
>>> these QSOs not count.  If caught - they will not be accepted for
>>> DXCC.
>>> Next step - put the transmitter there too and make it even easier!!
>>> Boo hiss!!
>>> Tree N6TR
>>> _______________________________________________
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