Carlos,
That is also true. The incident wave when entering into the ionosphere
splits into two elliptically polarized waves, and are likely in opposite
polarization from each other as well as having different amplitudes.
As someone else mentioned, the W-E E-W is a phenomenon we don't understand
yet.
Is your WF horizontal antenna much higher than the vertical?
Jim, KR9U
-----Original Message-----
From: N4IS [mailto:n4is@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:18 PM
To: jbwolf@comcast.net; 'Tom W8JI'; topband@contesting.com
Subject: RE: Topband: one-way propagation
Jim
Not always, polarization plays a lot on 160m, in special W-E E-W. Sometimes
a signal from Africa dive on the QSB and disappear from the Vertical WF and
switching to the horizontal WF the signal is peaking, other times I only can
hear the DX signal horizontal. I don't call this unidirectional because I
use a vertical TX all the time and the DX hears me well even the signal is
arriving horizontal.
Regards
Jose Carlos
N4IS
-----Original Message-----
From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of James
Wolf
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:41 PM
To: 'Tom W8JI'; topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: one-way propagation
Tom,
It is a known that the ionosphere is not a perfect sphere. It is always
moving and it is lumpy and tilted. Together these occurrences can cause
focusing and defocusing of the wave due to deformities especially if they
are concave or convex. One-way-propagation can reveal itself as a deep
and/or prolonged fade on only one end of the link because of the
aforementioned reasons. Of course fades can be caused by other reasons,
such as multiple paths, etc.
Jim, KR9U
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom W8JI [mailto:w8ji@w8ji.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:45 AM
To: jbwolf@comcast.net; topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: one-way propagation
> To expand a little on Carl's explanation, the ionosphere is not as
> isotropy as we commonly imagine - in that it is not a nice smooth
> balloon shaped surface to bounce a signal off of. Instead, there are
> varying degrees of irregularity, not unlike a sandy desert where the
> wind moves the landscape around and creates moving peaks and valleys.
> So imagine the ionosphere in this condition when a signal from one
> direction has a nice reflection down to the receiver, but in the other
> direction, it is reflected at a different angle and lands somewhere else.
>
> Jim, KR9U
>
There is no possible combination of refractions or reflections that is not
reciprocal in both directions.
If there is a mechanism at work, it is at an entirely different level than
simple multiple reflections.
After 50 years on 160, I'm still unsure if one way propagation exists. All
of the "one way" I have seen and taken the time to look at involves noise
levels, QRM, or just the capability of the stations.
For example, prior to sunset here my local noise is very low. Even on a
quiet winter night in a quiet direction, noise floor increases 10-15 dB as
it gets darker and conditions improve. I can hear Europeans that I have no
hope of working (on 40 meters this happens all day long). Their noise is
high (even in a quiet location) because it is dark. As it gets darker their
signals come up, and so does my noise and QRM, but eventually they hear me.
The opposite occurs at sunrise. There is the same noise floor drop after
daylight. This means I can hear JA's working west coast stations long after
they stop being able to hear me.
Local storms and local QRM, and the direction of that stuff, is also is a
huge factor in reciprocity.
Sorting it all out is very complicated, and involves far more than observing
"sometimes people at one end don't answer". Sorting it out would involve and
**require** calibrated observations of absolute signal levels and noise
levels at both ends. I think this is why one way prop is, at best, arguable.
73 Tom
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