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Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation

To: "Greg Chartrand" <w7my@yahoo.com>, <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Effect of trees- tree appreciation
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Reply-to: Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 23:31:52 -0400
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I expect the losses are related to current not voltage. The current of my antenna is in the vertical section for the most part and loss would would have to happen there as coupled to the nearest tree. The current would have to flow to ground so I seriously doubt if the resistance of the trunk is low enough to conduct any significant current to ground. Any loss in the top hat where the voltage is probably would amount to much power; the current has already flowed in the vertical section where I want it to.>>>>

While I'm sure you are right about losses, and the losses are probably somewhat small, it isn't for the reason above. The real reason is a tree has such high resistance it can't sap (pardon) most of your TX power.

The same things that make a tree a terrible (or virtually nonexistent) antenna also cause it to not have significant effect unless the electric field is right into the tree, or it is a pretty thick woods. The problem is no one really know how much loss there really is.

But................ the antenna is a closed system. A high resistance to ground at the high voltage end of things can cause just as much loss as a low series resistance at the current end of things. It **isn't ** that current has already flowed past where you wanted it. It isn't that because it flowed, losses at the top do not matter. Losses at the voltage point certainly do matter. You can create a pretty poor antenna if you terminate the open end of a short antenna in a resistance.

The real reason antennas in trees make people happy is the loss in the system making them happy is not really noticeable to them. I can't notice 6 dB loss at times, unless with an A-B test or by measuring things.


73 Tom
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