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Re: Topband: Blatant cheating using Remote Operation

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Subject: Re: Topband: Blatant cheating using Remote Operation
From: Roger D Johnson <n1rj@roadrunner.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 18:23:35 -0400
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I've been saying this for years! It's pretty clear in the regs:

§ 97.119 Station identification.

(a) Each amateur station, except a space station or telecommand station, must transmit its assigned call sign on its transmitting channel at the end of each communication, and at least every 10 minutes during a communication, for the purpose of clearly making the source of the transmissions from the station known to those receiving the transmissions. No station may transmit unidentified communications or signals, or transmit as the station call sign, any call sign not authorized to the station.

Unfortunately, the FCC is a shadow of it's former self with virtually no
enforcement anymore. They're a bunch of lawyers whose main concern appears
the auctioning of spectrum to make big bucks for the Government...and I thought
the airwaves belonged to the people!.

73, Roger N1RJ


On 10/12/2019 4:39 PM, Dave Clouser wrote:
My opinion, may not be popular.
Note: I'm not talking about hams remoting to _their own_ station. That is what the great technology is meant for.

A remote station to someone else s equipment is not identifying legally in my opinion. Think about it. What if there is RFI or other malicious interference other coming from that station? There is no way to identify it. The station identifies as whoever is using the remote.

Remotes should be required, per FCC, to identify as the station that is transmitting. That means the licensed operator in that particular location who owns the station.
Example: NZ3M/W1XXX or whatever.

There are hundreds of stations that hams can log into all over the world and operate using their own call sign. Some large stations are $ per minute and many are free.

This is my 2 cents, take it as you wish.

73

Dave NZ3M


On 10/12/2019 3:54 PM, Raymond Benny wrote:
Greg, you, VU2GSM and others openly state how you are operating, and follow
the accepted rules. And I'm glad you do.

Those who do not and claim DXCC credit for a out of country remote credit
should openly be called out. This may not stop many of them but atleast
they will known we know their mode of operation.

I do hope that those calling out stations have darn good evidence and not
doing it as a personal vendetta.

Ray,
N6VR

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 11:59 AM Greg - ZL3IX <zl3ix@inet.net.nz> wrote:

Guys need to be more discriminatory when discussing remote operation. I
use a remote installation, and have for years, but I abide by the DXCC
rules which state that the Tx and Rx antennas have to be within 500 m of
each other. Furthermore, this installation I designed and built myself,
and I maintain myself, with great effort. This practice should NOT be
equated with the practice of using a random Rx installation on the Net,
probably not even in the same country as the operator using it.

73, Greg, ZL3IX

On 2019-10-13 07:34, WW3S wrote:
Good for you Roger....you always hear about hams using remotes to work
the dx, but they don’t usually say much when the dx uses a remote to hear
them....
Sent from my iPad

On Oct 12, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Roger D Johnson <n1rj@roadrunner.com>
wrote:
There is no way an organization such as the ARRL can prevent cheating
in the DXCC program. It has to depend on the honesty of the hams involved.
Yes..some
people will cheat but I can't see how they can derive any satisfaction
from
that.

Last year I worked VU2GSM on Top Band. I heard rumors that Kanti used
remote
receiving locations and, when asked, he freely admitted it. He's in my
log
but I didn't claim credit for that contact.

YMMV!

73, Roger N1RJ
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