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Subject: [TowerTalk] G5RV or Dipoles
From: SPELUNK.SUENO@prodigy.net (EUGENE SMAR)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:30:44 -0500
Ted:

     You and I have corresponded before on NVIS antennas.  I agree with Tom
that you ought to raise the antennas above the roof with masts, pous mount
them at right angles to reduce coupling.

     However, you are not looking for this system to grab DX - you're
looking for close-in comm during island emergencies.  Having a set of low
dipoles (low above effective ground) will give you the sigs you want and
need for local and inter-island communications.

     In my Novice and General class days at home, I used a three-dipole
spiderweb antenna on 80, 40 and 20 just as you're suggesting.  I used a
tuner in the shack but still worked some satisfying DX (for a kid with 60
watts and a deaf receiver above 14 MHz.)  Bottom line is it will work for
your intended purpose.


GL es 73 de
Gene Smar  AD3F
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From: n4kg@juno.com <n4kg@juno.com>
To: TOWERTALK@contesting.com <TOWERTALK@contesting.com>
To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] G5RV or Dipoles


>Does the G5RV require a tuner for one or both bands?
>
>80 / 40 dipoles can be made independent of each other
>by placing them at right angles to each other with a single
>feedline.  As the wires come closer to each other, there
>will be coupling effects which may require retuning,
>especially on the 40M wires.
>
>Assuming there is a LOT of metal in / near the roof, the
>effective height of the dipoles OVER the roof will be the
>height above the roof, i.e., it would be good to have 30 ft
>masts for support which will reduce coupling effects to
>the structural metal while still directing the signal UP for
>high angle local coverage.
>
>One DXpedition to SE Asia reported using dipoles over a
>roof on 80 / 40.  They had the WEAKEST  40M signal I
>have ever heard from SE Asia on 40M (339 vs 559 signals
>for 100W and vertical stations) and they had amplifiers.
>They were ESP on 80M except for one isolated transmission
>where their signal came out of the noise enough to verify their call.
>
>Dipoles OVER a building roof are NOT good DX antennas
>unlesss they are elevated well above the structual metal.
>
>de  Tom  N4KG
>
>On Wed, 31 Jan 2001  "Ted Leaf" <tleaf@hotmail.com> writes:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> We are thinking of replacing our old G5RV at the hospital with a new
>> G5RV or  two dipoles on a common feed point cut for 40 and 75M.
>> We want this  for
>> local emergency communication among the islands out to 250 miles.
>> We have a  tuner.  Antennas will be above the 3rd story roof.
>>
>> Any recommendations?
>>
>>
>> 73, Aloha
>> Ted Leaf, K6HI
>> Kona, Hawaii
>> <tleaf@hotmail.com>
>>
>
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