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Subject: [TowerTalk] Using plywood forms...??
From: ersmar@comcast.net (EUGENE SMAR)
Date: Sun Jun 29 23:56:58 2003
Jim:

      Yes, nature would step in to fill the void, but how long until that
happens (the wood disintegrates and the soil fills in) and how compacted
would the soil be?  I don't believe in cutting corners on something as
critical as the foundation of a self-supporting tower.  Besides, unless the
walls of his excavations cave in before the concrete arrives, I expect Rich
will simply use more concrete if the hole is a bit too large.

73 de
Gene Smar  AD3F

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim White, K4OJ" <k4oj@tampabay.rr.com>
To: "EUGENE SMAR" <ersmar@comcast.net>
Cc: <towertalk@contesting.com>; "Rich Hallman - N7TR" <rich@n7tr.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Using plywood forms...??


> Gene...
>
> Are you saying the 1/2" or 3/4" of plywood around the pour once it
> disintegrates will create a void that wide between the earth and the
> pour???? And then the concrete mass could shit by 1/2" or 3/4"
>
> I seriously doubt that... and think nature wouldfind a way to make up
> for the "slack" as rains came and went the soil would ultimately be
> found near the pour...
>
> Jim, K4OJ
>
>
>
>
> EUGENE SMAR wrote:
> > Rich:
> >
> >      Absolutely remove the form.  If you don't, when the wood decays,
that
> > side of the foundation will not have the support from undisturbed earth
that
> > the other sides have.
> >
> >      This means that you'll have to allow sufficient room around the
> > foundation to get at the wood for removal.  That, in turn, means you'll
have
> > to backfill the void.  And finally, that means you'll have to compact
the
> > backfill as it's being dumped into the excavation.  Don't just shovel in
the
> > dirt and walk away.  After each half a foot or so has been shoveled in,
> > punch at it with the end of a 2X4 until it doesn't compress any more.
Then
> > shovel in the next half a foot, etc.
> >
> >      However, it might be easier if you just fill in the oversized hole
with
> > a bit more concrete.  You'll avoid the need to worry about forms,
removal,
> > compaction, etc.  The hassle is a toss-up between excavating exactly the
> > right sized hole vs buying and placing a bit more concrete.
> >
> > 73 de
> > Gene Smar  AD3F
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rich Hallman - N7TR" <rich@n7tr.com>
> > To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:11 PM
> > Subject: [TowerTalk] Using plywood forms...??
> >
> >
> >
> >>I'm installing several Trylon T400-80's.  I noticed that you can use
> >
> > plywood
> >
> >>forms for those times when your backhoe guy gets carried away with the
> >
> > hole
> >
> >>digging.
> >>
> >>If I use a form for one end of my oversized base.....Do you remove the
> >>plywood, then backfill.....Or backfill with the plywood in place?
> >>
> >>Thanks...
> >>Rich
> >>
> >>www.n7tr.com
> >>
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