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Subject: [TowerTalk] Re: beams too close?
From: "Danny Pease" <dpease@adams.net>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:51:55 -0600
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Will they interact?  Probably.  Will they still work?  Absolutely!!  Go for
it and if it really creates more of a problem than you are willing to live
with, you can always change it later.

NG9R

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>    2. Re:  Anyone not need a permit to install their tower? -No
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>    3. Re: Problems on a 2el vertical Array (Mark Beckwith)
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> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:34:03 -0600
> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dave_N=D8RQ?= <n0rq-1@dfwair.net>
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> I would like to add a 2 meter CW/SSB yagi to my tower, but am concerned
> about it being too close to existing antennas.
>
> Right now, on a 60' tower, I have an HF beam (Force 12 XR-5, 18' boom, 10
> through 20 meters) just above the thrust bearing, and 7 feet above that,
at
> the top of the mast, I have an M2 6M5X (6 meters, 5 elements, also 18'
> boom).  Is it feasible to add something like an M2 2M9SSB (2m CW/SSB, 9
> elements, 12' boom) halfway between the two???  Obviously, I don't want to
> hurt the performance of the HF or 6m beams.  A little interaction is OK,
but
> having them royally mess each other up wouldn't be good.
>
> It sure would be nice to get a decent 2m horizontal beam up around the 65'
> mark, but if this really isn't a good idea, I could mount it on a little
> tower at about the 30' mark.  However, I figured 65' in a less than ideal
> spot would be better than a better spot at 30'.  I'm not too concerned
about
> the 2m beam pattern -- if it works half-decently, it will be fine.  I am
> more concerned about hurting the HF/6m stuff.
>
> Comments appreciated!
>
> Dave NØRQ
> n0rq@arrl.net
> www.qsl.net/n0rq
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:21:26 -0600
> From: "Mark Beckwith" <mark@concertart.com>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk]  Anyone not need a permit to install their
tower? -No
> permit Required
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> I thought that it would go without saying that one would request a return
> receipt on such a doc.  I was wrong.  Now it goes WITH saying.
>
> Mark, N5OT
>
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> From: <kenneth.lowrey@wright.edu>
> To: <mark@concertart.com>; <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 11:23 AM
> Subject: RE: [TowerTalk] Anyone not need a permit to install their
> tower? -No permit Required
>
>
> > However, they could also say that they never received the letter.
> >
> > Ken
> > W8ND
> >
> > >===== Original Message From Mark Beckwith <mark@concertart.com> =====
> > >> Write the city planner a letter, stating the date and hour of your
> > >meeting, the
> > >> purpose thereof, and the results.  Then ask the question if this is
> what
> > >he said or
> > >> word it in away that asks a similar question like did I understand
> > >correctly that I ....
> > >
> > >And that way, if they don't respond, you can make a case that they are
in
> > >agreement with what you wrote.
> > >
> > >Mark, N5OT
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> any
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> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:23:19 -0600
> From: "Mark Beckwith" <mark@concertart.com>
> To: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Problems on a 2el vertical Array
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> > Right. Anyway, I should have in *all* situations more than 6dB f/b
ratio.
>
> Except for the scenario where the signal is arriving on a skewed path?
>
> Mark, N5OT
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:25:29 EST
> From: K3BU@aol.com
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Problems on a 2el vertical Array
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> In a message dated 1/12/04 7:06:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20
> T.Wellnitz@gmx.de writes:
> Yuri, you don't have to disconnect the shields. All you need is to
shorten=20
> the inner and outer conductor if the phaseline is about 80=B0-100=B0
(electr=
> ically)=20
> long or have an open feed line for 170=B0-190=B0.
>
> You do if you want the triangular array perform the way it is supposed
to=20
> work with WX0B stackmatch. It can work as two driven elements fed in phase
w=
> ith=20
> third as reflector (frequency shifted by open coax stub/feedline) or as
one=20
> driven element with two similar reflectors, giving 6 directions. In
theory.=20=
> In=20
> practice, it sucks, no pattern, dummiest three element omnidirectional
"arra=
> y".=20
> If you isolate the reflecotrs coax shields from the phasing unit, then
it=20
> works. That is, with Stackmatch. Other phasing system will work
differently.
>
> Yuri, K3BU
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