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Re: [TowerTalk] 80-m. Inverted Vee vs. Dipole Performance

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 80-m. Inverted Vee vs. Dipole Performance
From: <john@kk9a.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:21:30 -0400
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With a half sloper, the tower radiates as well as the sloping wire and the 
result  may be good or bad depending on the tower configuration.  The only 
way to know the pattern is to model the system or build it and compare it to 
another antenna.  VE3CX's may work well because the tower is 1/4 wl high and 
has radials and this tower may also work well by shunt feeding it and using 
it as a vertical.

John KK9A


From: Tom Haavisto
Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:53:56


I have an inverted vee installed on a 48 foot tower - apex is around 45 
feet.
On another (64 foot) tower, I have 2 half-slopers - one for phone, one for 
CW.

I have found the half-slopers work very well working DX, and have been
my primary 80 meter antennas for a number of years.  Also work well
for working North America

I installed the inverted vee about a year ago so I could do some A/B
comparisons.

Working DX, the slopers are far better.  i was listening to a local
about 30 miles away running QRP.  He was about S2 on the sloper, S9 on
the inverted vee.  For most of my operating, I end up using the
sloper.

One thing I also did was to install a number of radials around the
tower with the slopers.  For a relatively simple antenna, it works
very well.  Given a choice, the inverted vee would be the first one to
go away.

Tom - VE3CX

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 1:56 PM,  <RLVZ@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I'd appreciate your thoughts and recommendations on the following 80-meter
> antenna setup:
>
> I operate portable from a QTH in Wisconsin for several weeks each  year.
> This site has a short 50' tower, a small Hy-Gain TH-3 Mk3  Tribander on 
> top,
> and non-conductive guy wires.  For a 80 meter  antenna I've been using an
> Inverted V with apex at 47' and the ends at 15'  above ground.  This 
> 80-meter
> Inverted V seems to work pretty well  on Stateside q's and fairly well on
> DX... but I've never done an A/B comparison  with another antenna to 
> compare
> results.  I base my results on how  well it busts pileups in contests.
>
> Thought: Most people I've heard of who have modeled Inverted  Vee's
> typically say "the Inverted Vee is a poor performer" and "you're  much 
> better
> off
> with a flat-top dipole".  But a few people  contend that an Inverted Vee 
> has
> some vertical  polarization which lowers the angle of radiation.  So in
> this case, if the flat-top dipole was at 47' (less than a quarter wave) it
> would still be a cloud warmer.
>
> Question: Since the flat-top dipole at 47' would be a cloud warmer, it
> seems to me that even if the Inverted Vee only had a very small  amount of
> vertical radiation that the low Inverted Vee  could perform as well as or
> better
> than the low dipole on qso's over 1,000  miles.  Do you agree that the low
> Inverted V might outperform the low  flat-top on q's of a 1,000 miles or
> more?  If anyone has done A/B  comparisons on a low Inverted Vee vs. a low
> flat-top dipole please share  the results.  I am thinking that modeling
> software
> may not give the  Inverted Vee any allowance for vertical polarization...
> which could be why they  often model poorly.
>
> I'd really appreciate it if anyone had A/B comparison information  you
> could share on a low Inverted Vee do compared to low flat-top  dipoles.  I
> relaize I could shunt feed this tower but that would require  radials and 
> it's
> more work than I'd like to invest into a portable  antenna.
>
> Thanks & 73!
>
> Dick- K9OM/9
> ________________________________

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