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Re: [TowerTalk] Sorry to bring up an oldie - Mast Material

To: Dave Hachadorian <k6ll@arrl.net>, Towertalk reflector <towertalk@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Sorry to bring up an oldie - Mast Material
From: Rick Scott <w7psk@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:09:18 -0800 (PST)
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What would that look like for 6061-76 its yield is 40,000 I believe.





----- Original Message ----
> From: Dave Hachadorian <k6ll@arrl.net>
> To: Rick Scott <w7psk@yahoo.com>; Towertalk reflector 
><towertalk@contesting.com>
> Sent: Wed, March 9, 2011 11:31:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Sorry to bring up an oldie - Mast Material
> 
> Here is a neat mast calculator:
> http://www.math.niu.edu/KARC/mast/
> 
> Plugging in some  numbers for 1.5" schedule 20 water pipe:
> Safety factor f   2
> Wind  loading factor k  .004            lb/ft2/mph2
> Maximum stress S       30,000       psi
> Outside diameter D        1.9      in
> Inside diameter d        1.61      in
> Total length of mast          8    ft
> Height above support h       4       ft
> Antenna 1 height h1          4   ft      area a1  6.1       ft2
> Antenna 2 height h2              ft     area a2          ft2
> Antenna 3 height h3              ft     area a1         ft2
> 
> Survival  velocity:     63.0 mph
> Failure velocity:     89.1  mph
> Weight of mast:     21.79  lbs
> ---------------------------------------
> As indicated above, I wouldn't  be confident in using Sch 20 water
> pipe.  That 30,000 psi yield strength  for water pipe is hard to
> prove, because water pipe is not specified for  structural
> purposes. Also, the last time I priced water pipe, I was  amazed
> to see how expensive it had become.
> 
> You are much better off  using structural tubing, which has a
> specified yield strength.  If you  go to a metal supplier and ask
> for structural tubing, he should be able to  quote you some prices
> on various strength material. You will probably have to  buy a
> 20-footer though.  Another thing you can do is to order  some
> galvanized steel mast from Texas Towers. They will sell you a  10'
> piece for $139, and cut off a foot, which makes it UPS-shippable
> (at  least the last time I did it, in 1978). Their material is
> 87,000 psi.   Plugging that into the  calculator:
> ---------------------------------------
> 
> Safety factor  f                2
> Wind loading  factor k      .004       lb/ft2/mph2
> Maximum  stress S      87,000       psi
> Outside diameter  D       2      in
> Inside diameter d         1.75     in
> Total length of mast           8   ft
> Height above support h        4      ft
> Antenna 1 height h1       4       ft     area a1   6.1       ft2
> 
> Survival velocity:     107.0 mph
> Failure velocity:      151.3 mph
> Weight of mast:     20.07 lbs
> 
> That will  definitely work.
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma,  AZ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Rick  Scott
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 10:51 AM
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject:  [TowerTalk] Sorry to bring up an oldie - Mast Material
> 
> Im really  confused.  Id like to buy Local, because the mail order
> houses  have
> Really high prices and high shipping
> plus they only do 5 or 10ft  intervals.
> 
> Ive seen all manor material from them from chrome molly  to
> Aluminum and AES even
> has Fiberglass.
> 
> I have a Glen Martin 9ft  roof mount tower.  Its just shy of 4ft
> from the rotor
> to the top of  the tower.  Right now I have
> a 2 1/2" Fence Post mast (really heavy  wall) that I hold an A4S
> up with.
> 
> A4 is going bad so I decided to get  my dream antenna the standard
> SteppIR 3
> element beam and nothing else will  go on the mast.  I would
> like to get 8ft as that will give me 4ft above  the tower, I can
> put the antenna
> at 2 - 3 feet and be  ok.
> 
> 
> 
> So I need 2" mast material,
> 
> I would dearly like to buy  local and we have a few metal shops
> but I need to
> know exactly what I  have.
> 
> I searched the forum and man there is a lot of material.   K7XLC
> used to sell
> mast but his site doesnt.
> 
> I posted on the local  Snohmish County hams and I got a gazzilion
> answers.
> 
> One guy swears by  Home Depot stuff
> One says only buy Sched 40pipe nothing else  needed
> Another says this and that.
> Another says 6061-T6 Extruded  Tubing
> 
> 
> So not really wanting to open a can of worms, whats the  best
> material to hold
> what I plan to put up
> for the best  cost.
> 
> 
> Scotty  W7PSK
> 
> 
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