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Re: [TowerTalk] Tower Stress in a quake?

Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower Stress in a quake?
From: "Roger (K8RI) on TT" <>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 23:44:36 -0400
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Just curious as the only quakes MI has felt were collapsing coal, copper, and salt mines or from quakes many hundreds of miles away. Michigan has a number of tiny fault lines that are relatively shallow. None that I could find active. There is a thick block of solid underlying material that makes finding deep or major faults difficult, So earthquakes are rare as are almost all that can be attributed to fracking.

Coming from such a benign area, that makes me wonder what seismic activity, or risk is taken into account. Earthquake history for the area? Distance to the nearest active fault or faults. Soil capable of liquefaction, and at what magnitude quake is used for the calculation? Magnitude of the vertical and horizontal waves? (Don't remember the names).

I'd think quakes that cause fragile brick chimneys to fall would be a non issue for towers.

I don't know about the shale underlying Texas, but mid and Northern US have huge shale areas, that are deep, thick, and cover many states and parts Canada.

I would think (meaning I don't know) that fracking would be limited to miles. A large operation with many wells and injection sites might cover hundreds of square miles, but does fracking break up the shale in a small area, or are there long splits.

The oil and gas is dissolved and held tightly in the shale, so I'd think the smaller the pieces the more they'd get out of it. I don't think the fracking process would remove material causing voids as has the deep well water removal that has caused many feet of subsiding. makes for interesting reading


Roger (K8RI)

On 7/27/2015 6:11 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Installing microwave radio systems for Harris Corporation over 20 years, I
had to obtain building permits for many new towers (eg. 100-300', both guyed
and self-supporting).  The engineering calculations included stresses from
earthquakes as well as wind.  The stress from wind on the guys and/or
foundation bolts was always 10x the forces exerted by earthquakes.  If your
tower design is adequate for the winds in your area, I would not worry about
earthquake forces.

<one whale of a lot of snip>

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