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> 1. Re: Guy Anchors (Donald Chester)
> 2. Re: Guy Anchors (Bruce Jungwirth)
> 3. cell phone antenna on ham tower? (ag6v@whidbey.com)
> 4. Re: cell phone antenna on ham tower? (Jim Brown)
> 5. Re: cell phone antenna on ham tower? (Chuck Dietz)
> 6. Re: cell phone antenna on ham tower? (W5GN)
> 7. Re: cell phone antenna on ham tower? (W2RU - Bud Hippisley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 18:21:10 +0000
> From: Donald Chester <k4kyv@hotmail.com>
> To: "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guy Anchors
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>> I am planning after the first of the year to put up my 80ft Rohn 45 guyed
>> tower.
>
>> Since my soil in Cheney is very rocky, I am not sure I can use the standard
>> Rohn concrete anchor (dead man) (4 ft. deep, 4 ft. wide by 6 ft. cement
>> anchor in rebar). I have just about solid rock 2 ft. under the surface. I
>> guess I could use a jack hammer. It is too solid to do with a backhoe or
>> small excavator.
>
>
>
>> I have debated as an alternative using 8 ft. I-beams, with 6 ft. below
>> ground... Is there a better alternative?
>
>
>> All suggestions appreciated.
>
>> Mel Ming N7GCO
>
> You don't HAVE to bury the guy anchor all the way in the ground, below grade.
> You could dig down 2 ft to the bedrock, and build concrete forms to extend
> the rest of the 4 ft anchor above grade, letting the partially buried block
> rest on the solid rock. You would have a 2 ft high 4' X 6' block of concrete
> above grade, but at least you wouldn't have to worry about keeping weeds
> cleared away from the anchor points, or someone running over a guy anchor
> with a mower. The soil on top of a buried anchor contributes infinitesimally
> to its staying power.
>
> Don k4kyv
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:28:02 -0500
> From: Bruce Jungwirth <k0son@frontiernet.net>
> To: Donald Chester <k4kyv@hotmail.com>
> Cc: "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guy Anchors
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> You might also want to epoxy the rebar cage into the bedrock for increased
> stability.
>
> Bruce. K0son
>
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Donald Chester <k4kyv@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I am planning after the first of the year to put up my 80ft Rohn 45 guyed
>>> tower.
>>
>>> Since my soil in Cheney is very rocky, I am not sure I can use the standard
>>> Rohn concrete anchor (dead man) (4 ft. deep, 4 ft. wide by 6 ft. cement
>>> anchor in rebar). I have just about solid rock 2 ft. under the surface. I
>>> guess I could use a jack hammer. It is too solid to do with a backhoe or
>>> small excavator.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I have debated as an alternative using 8 ft. I-beams, with 6 ft. below
>>> ground... Is there a better alternative?
>>
>>
>>> All suggestions appreciated.
>>
>>> Mel Ming N7GCO
>>
>> You don't HAVE to bury the guy anchor all the way in the ground, below
>> grade. You could dig down 2 ft to the bedrock, and build concrete forms to
>> extend the rest of the 4 ft anchor above grade, letting the partially buried
>> block rest on the solid rock. You would have a 2 ft high 4' X 6' block of
>> concrete above grade, but at least you wouldn't have to worry about keeping
>> weeds cleared away from the anchor points, or someone running over a guy
>> anchor with a mower. The soil on top of a buried anchor contributes
>> infinitesimally to its staying power.
>>
>> Don k4kyv
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:02:59 -0700
> From: ag6v@whidbey.com
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: [TowerTalk] cell phone antenna on ham tower?
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> Hi Folks:
>
> I'm sure some of you have an opinion/experience with cell phone antennas on
> your ham tower. Care to share?
>
> 73,
> ----
> Donna Hinshaw
> AG6V
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:41:47 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: towertalk@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] cell phone antenna on ham tower?
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>> On Tue,10/27/2015 1:02 PM, ag6v@whidbey.com wrote:
>> I'm sure some of you have an opinion/experience with cell phone antennas
>
> No experience, but caution -- beware of zoning issues that apply to
> commercial installations as opposed to ham towers.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 16:04:44 -0500
> From: Chuck Dietz <w5prchuck@gmail.com>
> To: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
> Cc: "towertalk@contesting.com" <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] cell phone antenna on ham tower?
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> When I turn my antennas toward a cell tower about a mile away, I get a lot
> of birdies on 6 and 10 meters. I am not certain it is the cell tower, but
> there is very little in between.
>
> Chuck W5PR
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> wrote:
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>>> On Tue,10/27/2015 1:02 PM, ag6v@whidbey.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure some of you have an opinion/experience with cell phone antennas
>>>
>>
>> No experience, but caution -- beware of zoning issues that apply to
>> commercial installations as opposed to ham towers.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 17:14:48 -0500
> From: "W5GN" <w5gn@mxg.com>
> To: "'Chuck Dietz'" <w5prchuck@gmail.com>, <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> Cc: <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] cell phone antenna on ham tower?
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> About 10 years ago, AT&T installed their rectangular antennas on
> the 125 foot Power Pylon in the easement behind the house,
> and during the original install, swinging the OB16-3 8-el on 10
> beam thru the heading saw about a 5 db increase in hashy switching
> noise on the IC756PRO scope.
>
> The tower is 400 feet away bearing 335 (JA is 318).
>
> Last year more rectangular antennas were added at the top and
> the building at the base expanded, and now there is a 20 db increase,
> which is more noticeable but still doesn't seriously inhibit working
> that direction, except for the very weak.
>
> Barry, W5GN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TowerTalk [mailto:towertalk-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
> Dietz
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:05 PM
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> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] cell phone antenna on ham tower?
>
> When I turn my antennas toward a cell tower about a mile away, I get a lot
> of birdies on 6 and 10 meters. I am not certain it is the cell tower, but
> there is very little in between.
>
> Chuck W5PR
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> On Tue,10/27/2015 1:02 PM, ag6v@whidbey.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sure some of you have an opinion/experience with cell phone
>>> antennas
>>>
>>
>> No experience, but caution -- beware of zoning issues that apply to
>> commercial installations as opposed to ham towers.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 18:41:43 -0400
> From: W2RU - Bud Hippisley <W2RU@frontiernet.net>
> To: tower <towertalk@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] cell phone antenna on ham tower?
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> Donna ?
>
> Please let me expand on Jim?s very important comment.
>
> I spent six+ years looking into antenna zoning restrictions in my search for
> a new QTH. In general ? and this may not be true in your locality but it was
> / is true in by far the majority of municipalities I investigated ? amateur
> radio towers may be preferentially treated only as long as there is no
> commercial use co-located on the tower.
>
> Once there is a commercial application on your tower, it becomes subject to
> what are usually far more restrictive paragraphs in the local zoning
> ordinance. You may, for instance, be required to have public hearings when
> you weren?t required to for a ham tower. You may have to fly a brightly
> marked balloon, where previously you weren?t. And so on. And it gets worse
> ? and worse ? and worse.
>
> In short, you most likely will lose any protections you might think you have
> under PRB-1.
>
> Unless you live in a municipality that has no zoning at all ? and no
> restrictions at all on cell towers ? I don?t even recommend ?proceed[ing]
> with caution? ? I recommend not proceeding at all!
>
> Bud, W2RU
>
>
>> On Oct 27, 2015, at 4:41 47PM, Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue,10/27/2015 1:02 PM, ag6v@whidbey.com wrote:
>>> I'm sure some of you have an opinion/experience with cell phone antennas
>>
>> No experience, but caution -- beware of zoning issues that apply to
>> commercial installations as opposed to ham towers.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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