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Re: [TowerTalk] Joining two perpendicular wires

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Joining two perpendicular wires
From: "Lux, Jim" <jim@luxfamily.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 05:45:12 -0700
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On 7/13/21 4:52 AM, john@kk9a.com wrote:
Like many posts, this went off on a tangent. If it was for connecting two
parallel wires, I would have suggested the western-union splice. I use this
splice all the time on dipoles and Beverages. I use regular lead solder
without issue but perhaps they are not up long enough to see lead
degradation. Interesting post on using plumbing solder, that should be
easier to use on the tower than silver solder.

John KK9A


David Gilbert ab7e wrote:

I don't understand these suggestions.   Steve asked about perpendicular
connections, not inline, and using split bolts means that one or both of
the soft copper wires is going to be under buffeting tension while
making a bend around a sharp edge.  That seems like a recipe for a failure.

The rope and tail connection idea proposed by others makes far more
sense to me.  Run a rope from the tower to an egg insulator near the
ring.  Loop the radial wire through the egg insulator with enough of a
tail to solder to the ring.  The ring wire can (and probably should) run
through one of the holes in the egg insulator as well.

And by the way, silver solder ... like plumbing solder ... should hold
up for ages.  It's tin-lead solder that degrades in weather.


Plumbing solder is still soft solder, used to be 50/50 lead/tin but is now Tin, Copper, Nickel, and Silver (and other stuff with low melting points like indium), but is still not hard solder, and is not structural.

brazing and hard soldering uses higher melting alloys (high silver content, copper) and is significantly stronger, and much less likely to become brittle than the tin based alloys used for soft soldering.


I don't know that solder degrades from weather, per se (i.e. it doesn't oxidize or chemically change from exposure to air and water) However, it work hardens easily, so mechanical loading or temperature cycling (which creates mechanical loading in some cases) can make it brittle. Soft solder also has creep and deformation under constant load.  Tin/lead solders can form two kinds of crystals, so cracks can develop between the crystals, which combined with temperature cycling, can cause degradation.

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