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To: ersmar@verizon.net
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Guy Posts
From: Gregg Seidl <greggk9kl@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 11:17:53 -0500
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Bad idea.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 11:08 AM Gene Smar via TowerTalk <
towertalk@contesting.com> wrote:

> I'd be curious to learn which crankup tower maker specifies, or even
> allows, anchors to be used.
> 73 de Gene Smar AD3F
>
> Sent from my Radio Shack TRS-80 model 100 laptop
>
>   On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 11:36 AM, john simmons<
> jasimmons@pinewooddata.com> wrote:   There are a ton of variables here.
> An engineer will hopefully chime in.
>
> Variables:
>
>   *  Guy wire angle
>   *  Tower/antenna wind loading
>   *  Wind speed area of USA
>   *  Soil stability
>   *  Height above ground for guy anchor point
>   *  Safety factor
>   *  Number of guy lines
>   *  and etc
>
> Many areas, even rural ones *REQUIRE* a PE-stamped engineering drawing for
> your installation, plus a permit of some sort. I'd suggest looking at this
> point before doing anything else. Sometimes the cost of fulfilling these
> requirements is onerous and may preclude your project.
>
> Some back of the envelope ideas:
>
>   *  Don't use pipe! Square or round tubing has a much higher bend
> strength. I-beam would be much better
>   *  Remember the lever principle. The longer the length of the anchor
> steel the stronger it is.
>   *  Use concrete!!!
>   *  Rent a power earth auger to dig the holes
>   *  The anchor steel should be installed angled away from the tower
>   *  Read the tower plans! They should give the load on each guy line and
> that'll give you an idea what the bend strength of the anchor steel should
> be. However since you are short-guying the load will be much higher
>
> ***Re-think your plan! Compromising tower installation is a very risky
> business, especially when you consider what might happen should disaster
> occur. Insurance companies.... lawyers...
>
>
> 73
> -de "Curly" John NI0K
> QRZ.com<https://www.qrz.com/db/ni0k>
> Hamshack Hotline<https://hamshackhotline.com/> call me: 6100271
>
> On 6/18/2024 9:33 AM, Kurt Cathcart, KR2C wrote:
> Hello all
>
>
> I'm planning an installation of a guyed 50' aluminum crank up tower.  As
> per the manufactured, they guy anchor point would be 40' from the  tower.
> As per the wife, this would be too intrusive into the yard.
>
>
> My thought would to be using guy posts to anchor the guys to. The idea
> would be create a foundation with a heavy pipe in the ground that would
> move the anchor points closer to the tower. Would any of you have
> experience with this? If so, what do I need to know going in?  Bad idea?
>
>
> -Kurt, KR2C
>
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