You guys kill me. You know, it's awfully hard to sit here reading about all
this conjured up evilness, deception and blatant disregard for the "intent" of
the rules without jumping in. So, here I am, since I couldn't hold back any
longer. I know there are many others who agree with me, but I would be willing
to bet that they can't see the point in getting into it on here now when people
continue to not understand after all these months of bellyaching.
Publishing the logs will do absolutely nothing towards ridding you of the
tactics of the grid circlers and other "offenders." It's obvious what they are
doing. And it's equally as obvious that they are within the rules as they do
it. Seeing their logs won't change that. Those who are after "burning" the
infamous grid circlers, captive rovers, etc. aren't going to get their way. The
problems clearly lie within the contest rules. This is why the term of the VUAC
has been extended. The ARRL knows that things need to be tended to. Each VHF
contester has a representative on the VUAC. The list of members is on the ARRL
web site. If you haven't communicated yet with your representative on the
committee, you ought to consider doing that instead of letting yourself to get
all heated up unnecessarily. As far as catching guys who fill their logs with
"contacts" that they didn't make goes, forget it. Most people don't inherently
cheat and those who do would cheat
never come close to winning a contest, anyway. Put another way: Most who score
well in contests find greater gratification from competing honorably than they
would from winning. These people, in my opinion, would not cheat in order to
win.
Regarding the real topic, open logs:
I think there should be open logs. After all, this is a competition. One could
ask how he should be able to modify his own tactics in order to compete better
if he couldn't analyze his competition's tactics. You'd have to be able to see
who they worked and when on each band. Knowing the transmission modes they used
might turn out to be of great value, I think.
I think that if the ARRL has good reasons for not publishing the logs, they
should state them in the rules and then everybody move on. (I have a hunch that
this situation has a lot more to do with the expense of it than it does with
anything else.)
Bottom line: Guys aren't winning contests because of cheating. You're not going
to make anything better by trying to catch them. If you don't like what's going
on, call your VUAC rep and be done with it.
K7CW
--- On Thu, 12/4/08, k4gun@comcast.net <k4gun@comcast.net> wrote:
> From: k4gun@comcast.net <k4gun@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Great idea -- Kudos to Grid Pirates
> To: aa5jg@yahoo.com
> Cc: "Todd Sprinkmann" <sprinkies@excel.net>, vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 10:50 AM
> I wonder the same thing. Take our grid circle buddies for
> example. The winner of the limited rover category had
> exactly 77 QSOs in each of the 4 microwave bands in which he
> operated. Is there any doubt as to how that happened?
> Nope. We all know his log for each band will reveal that
> he only worked the same small group during the contest.
> Posting his actual log will not change that.
>
>
>
> The only thing that it might accomplish is to bring to
> light some other practices. For instance, its possible
> that point-hungry stations could be looking through old
> callsign books and picking out calls they know are not
> operating in VHF contests. They could be entering those
> into their logs because they know there is no penalty for
> having a unique call in their log. The people at the ARRL
> have no way to verify that a QSO was or was not made. If
> the logs were public, somebody who knows those stations may
> call foul. If there are multiple cases like this, it could
> be very ugly for those who get caught.
>
>
>
> As I write this, I hope I'm not touching a third rail
> here. I have no idea if such a practice ever happens or if
> it does, how common it is. I would hope its rare at
> worst. Making logs public would reveal this pretty
> quickly. It wouldn't change a thing about our rover
> discussion but could heap a lot of shame on unethical
> stations.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> K4GUN/R
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@yahoo.com>
> To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com, "Todd
> Sprinkmann" <sprinkies@excel.net>
> Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 6:28:31 PM GMT +00:00
> Casablanca / Monrovia
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Great idea -- Kudos to Grid
> Pirates
>
> I do have one question about the open logs: A couple of
> weeks ago we have a long discussion about all of the
> problems with contesting (especially roving) with everyone
> saying we need open access to logs. Now we have it in a
> limited way (so far) and I want to know:
>
> "How does having open access to logs fix any of
> these problems?"
>
> 73s John AA5JG
>
>
> --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Todd Sprinkmann
> <sprinkies@excel.net> wrote:
>
> > From: Todd Sprinkmann <sprinkies@excel.net>
> > Subject: [VHFcontesting] Great idea -- Kudos to Grid
> Pirates
> > To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 11:28 AM
> > I am also in favor of making ARRL VHF/UHF contest logs
>
> > public, and I have let my VUAC rep know.
> >
> > This is a great idea by the Grid Pirates and I
> will also
> > submit
> > what I can to their repository.
> >
> > As the operator of well-attended SSB and FM nets
> on 144
> > and 146 in the Midwest, I am always looking for ways
> to
> > contact more potential VHF'ers, to let them know
> about
> > the
> > nets, and to increase overall activity on VHF. Which
> may
> > also help get new contesters on the air, or motivate
> > veterans
> > who have dropped out.
> >
> > (Anyone who needs my net info is free to email me
>
> > directly
> > and I'll get you up to speed. We're talking
> Wed.
> > nights for
> > SSB, and Thur. night for FM simplex. SSB is capable
> of
> > working from Ohio to Kansas City, MO)
> >
> > Again, congrats to the Grid Pirates for taking
> the
> > initiative on
> > this. No layered committees, no gnashing of teeth,
> just
> > action.
> > Well done.
> >
> > 73,
> > Todd KC9BQA EN63ao 40 N of Milwaukee
> >
> >
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