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Re: [VHFcontesting] frisbee roving

To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com, frank bechdoldt <k3uhf@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] frisbee roving
From: Paul Kiesel <k7cw@yahoo.com>
Reply-to: k7cw@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:02:28 -0800 (PST)
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Frank, 

With all due respect, you need to not let your blood pressure get so high. 

I do think that the ARRL needs to weed out the word "intent" and write the 
rules in a way that is straight forward (which I think they mainly do now). The 
ARRL really needs to attend to that because it's the source of a lot of 
unnecessary discontent.

73,
Paul, K7CW



--- On Sun, 2/15/09, frank bechdoldt <k3uhf@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: frank bechdoldt <k3uhf@hotmail.com>
Subject: [VHFcontesting] frisbee roving
To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 10:17 PM

As I see it.
 What is obvious  is  the intent as stated by the host of the contest (ARRL)is
ignored by a select few.  The evidence of Intent has been posted on here by VUAC
who wrote the rules. The intent I speak of was clearly stated by the contest’s
host’s magazine (ARRL?QST).
 
The lack of honoring the Contest Host’s stated intent has only brought
turmoil into the host’s house, (The ARRL VHF Contests), from the actions of a
select few.
 
Controversy in the host’s contest remains because the host “pussy footed”
on the last rule change.
 
Now there are two ways forward. Paul seems to suggest to leave it alone because
there is no breaking of rules. Quite analytical.
 
I would say make the rules match the intent of the 2 new rover classes.
(staying true to the stated goals of the contest host)
 
I resent the idea of having to become a grid circler to compete on the same
playing field. 
Especially when I see grid circling as counter productive to why ham radio
exists.  
If Marconi wanted to talk across a farmer’s field, he would of got some
string and two cans!
If he wanted to communicate across the cactus field, he would of employed smoke
signals.
I believe he at least went a mile on the recorded first radio  attempt, seems
like that should set some sort of mininum.
 
They could just as easily attach there messages to Frisbees and throw them from
rover to rover and the ARRL can give than multipliers based on the color of
their Frisbees and whether they were thrown under or over hand. 
 
Of courrs a "collie" is considered an unlimited rover, a
"lab" a tradional rover and a "weener dog" a limited rover.
 
It is Especially counter productive to roving   when the circlers were given a
specific category to compete in and beginners were given another to encourage
growth of roving., and the traditional rovers were segregated off and to have
this childish behavior continue.
 
If letting one man own 8 stations to orchestrate a victory in all 3 rover
classifications across farmers fields and cactus patches is what the ARRL
intended to be an example of good sportsmanship or spurring meaningful use of
spectrum then I should go teach my Boy scouts to do things in the grey areas to
win or earn patches.  I should tell the kids playing baseball and soccer its not
how you play the game, its not whether you learn something form the sports
experience, its whether you win at all costs no matter your reputation.
 
I saw this best a few years ago in kiddy soccer. There was no rule against
keeping a team’s players in the traditional soccer zones.  One team would play
five forwards and a goalie. They would cream the other teams whose coaches were
teaching the kids 3 forwards, 2 defensemen and one goalie. 2 years Later (when
they followed the normal rules) these kids had trouble defending, because they
didn’t learn how the previous 2 years and they got creamed.
 
To ignore intent of a host is to dishonor the host.  It is like coming into
ones house and being rude just because there is no law against it.  To turn a
blind eye to the dishonorable behavior is dishonoring this community as a whole.
 Its not as bad as ignoring blatant cheating, but its on that slippery slope.
 
The ARRL should not have a contest that is not honorable. It dishonors the ham
radio community as a whole. Especially it’s members.
 
Its time the ARRL grew a pair and told its mother in law to quit smoking in the
house at family get togethers.  
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