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Re: [VHFcontesting] VUAC Survey input/ debate

To: frank bechdoldt <k3uhf@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] VUAC Survey input/ debate
From: Paul Decker <kg7hf@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:29:44 +0000 (UTC)
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That makes sense, the only thing is that the station would be penalized for a 
situation completely out of his/her control as they can't prevent others from 
spotting them if they so choose to do so. 



I'm not sure the analogy of the road race fits though.   The individual 
contestants of the road race can control their own speed.   



Paul 






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "frank bechdoldt" <k3uhf@hotmail.com> 
To: kg7hf@comcast.net 
Cc: vhfcontesting@contesting.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:46:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: VUAC Survey input/ debate 

well a purest would say yes. What you did by spotting someone as a "SWL" or 
"VSWL" (hi hi) is assist the station.  This station gets assistance by your 
post when he works other "VSWLs" who follow your post and complete a QSO with 
him.  
  
A winning station would simply need to have a friendly "VSWL" post spots for 
him to aid his score.  I imagine if you compared the last contest logs to he 
spots made by "VSWLs" you would see a correlation of QSOS to spots made by 
non contestants.  
  
The true mechanics at play here is that only a few can really compete in this 
contest. The rest of the people on the air are using any means necessary to 
complete a QSO to gather initials. The attempt to make a divide in the rules 
has only exasperated the problem they are trying to fix. Unless those web pages 
shut down for the contest or are policed by the ARRL by proxy spotting will 
continue to happen and no one will know the true motivation of by proxy 
spotters. 
  
This is not a judgement of what is right or wrong its an evaluation of the 
circumstances. It would be like having a road race from NY to LA and saying no 
speeding but you don't or can't put any cops on the road. 
  
Frank 
  
  
  
   
  





Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:12:36 +0000 
From: kg7hf@comcast.net 
To: k3uhf@hotmail.com 
CC: vhfcontesting@contesting.com 
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] VUAC Survey input/ debate 


Hi, 
  
I'm confused.  If I'm working the contest as "unassisted" and someone else 
chooses to spot me without me asking them or otherwise interacting with them, I 
suddenly become classified as "assisted"? 
  
I don't have much for a station, in many cases I can hear a big gun station but 
they can't hear me.  I usually spot them so that others who are more fortunate 
can work them if they choose.  In this case, I am simply an swl who is 
reporting I hear a distant station.  Should that station then become assisted? 
  
Paul Decker (KG7HF) 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "frank bechdoldt" <k3uhf@hotmail.com> 
To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:25:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [VHFcontesting] VUAC Survey input/ debate 


I have reports of : 

  

During the contest there were non contestants (formally assisted) spotting non 
assisted people on some of the web pages.  This was not to help the non 
assisted people, but to help the formally assisted people get more QSOS and 
contacts and ultimately QSL cards for working these individuals. In the last 
contest Non assisted qso numbers doubled while the number of registered 
participants dropped because of the loss of  an category. 

  

The ARRL can not police the web pages.  Unassisted people benefit from the 
activity of others no matter how they communicate or spot  with each other.  
The current rules has their head in the sand on this issue. The only fair way 
to do it is to acknowledge that all sorts of assistance exists and other than 
exchanging actual QSO information all classes are allowed to spot or be 
spotted.  That or police the web pages and all spotted call signs are 
registered and sent to the ARRL to ensure they are listed as assisted.  A major 
scandal like this happened one with a CQ HF contest where someone documented 
unassisted people were being spotted and the QSO times matched the spots. Why 
expose an ARRL contest to that? 

  

k3uhf 
                                                
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