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Re: [VHFcontesting] Yagis on masts

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Yagis on masts
From: David Pruett <k8cc@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 18:59:21 -0500
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Patrick,

Sometimes it pays not to read the instructions. I've used Rohn masts to hold yagis aloft, and never had any trouble. But a little common sense goes a long way in this regard.

I remember a long time ago that there was an article in 73 magazine by some Floridian with a 1x2 call that I can't remember who took a Rohn 50 mast, only extended it to 20' and ran it thru a thrust bearing bolted to the eave of his house. With it sitting in a rotator staked to the ground, the entire mast rotated with a HyGain 204BA on top (four 14 MHz elements, 26' boom and 66 pounds). He may have exceeded common sense limits, but he proclaimed the setup worked fine.

All the cautions about twisting loads, etc. mentioned by other respondents are certainly true, but the reality is that with most VHF/UHF arrays, such loads are small to miniscule. In the miniscule category is the 30' Rohn mast bolted to the side of my house holding a 2.3 GHz looper with a 6' boom.

One thing that I think would help is to follow the example of the Floridian, and mount the rotator at ground level with the mast sitting in it and let the guy rings slip so the entire mast rotates. This gets the weight off the mast, and makes it easy to rotate multiple antennas on one mast together.

With a 40' or 50' mast, I would recommend at least one set of guys about half way up to keep the mast from buckling under load.

73, Dave/K8CC

On 12/27/2016 11:33 PM, Patrick Thomas wrote:
Hey all,

I've been considering augmenting the park-and-go rover setup with a push-up mast.  However, I have 
noticed that the Rohn H50, etc., explicitly state that they are "not recommended" for use 
with yagis.  And sure, physics would suggest that if you have a 15' antenna boom, you are likely to 
have more off-axis "arm" acting on the top of the mast, versus a vertical or even a dish. 
 On the other hand, I don't know if they only say that to protect themselves against people who use 
H50s as semi-permanent rooftop installations in 80MPH wind zones with heavy ice.

So what's the verdict?  I'm sure it's "possible" but is it safe to use a large 2m yagi on 
an H50 when properly guyed, on a day with gentle breezes?  Or is it indeed "not 
recommended" under any conditions due to instability, etc?  For that matter, what about the 
weight of a rotor that high up?

(And yes, I'm still working on the halo stack, so worst case I could always 
hike that up the line... but would love to have the extra gain and 
directionality from the yagi.)

Thanks,

Patrick
KB8DGC
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