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Re: [VHFcontesting] ARRL VHF Test 3 Band Category - long rant better del

To: Herb Krumich <wa2fgk@yahoo.com>, "alex@kr1st.com" <alex@kr1st.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] ARRL VHF Test 3 Band Category - long rant better delete!!
From: Gregory Winters <greg_winters@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 21:44:41 +0000
List-post: <mailto:vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
It does need to be fun (again).Theres no prize money, big prizes, sponsorships, 
free radios, that I'm aware of. Wish there was! A plaque or paper is all.

I do wish we had more activity weekends. Not just Field Day. Its hard enough to 
get people off DMR and repeaters. Getting VUCC aside from contests is difficult 
when people turn things on 3 weekends a year. Really hard to 'keep it by using 
it' when its not used 99% of the time aside from 3-4 weekends a year.

I do wish 146.52 and the other simplex freqs were not usable for ARRL contests. 
I get yelled at every contest about it by some people on the air, but thats 
where almost everyone is. Monitoring 146.48 through .58 I still catch 80% at 
.52 anyway, a lot of QSOs. Allowing contesting on that freq in particular takes 
away fun when you're getting reprimanded every contest (following the rules) 
and undermines the necessity of a National Calling Frequency (and CQ WW VHF 
doesn't allow it). Maybe not a lot, but people do still use simplex.

Greg, K3RW
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alex@kr1st.com <alex@kr1st.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2021 6:34:34 AM
To: Herb Krumich <wa2fgk@yahoo.com>
Cc: VHF <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] ARRL VHF Test 3 Band Category - long rant better 

Hi Herb,

I agree. These contests have been minimized in significance (cheapened?)
to a level that they cannot be seriously considered competitive events
anyway. I call them activity weekends. They are basically "everything
goes" events now with a few rules sprinkled in to make it look like a
contest. Heck, everyone can now print their own participation award and
look like a winner, and QST prints maybe a whole page about it if you're

Unless the ARRL indicates a willingness to seriously look at VHF
contests to turn them into (dare I say "fun") contests again, it is
useless to even discuss the rules. You've seen in a recent article that
they look at the (logging) data only in terms of participation. The
competitive element of a contest is secondary, if that even. Whenever
you see data presented in a way to defend the status quo, you know that
that is where the discussion ends. We vent a little on a lists like
these and then the dust settles, until the next event. Rinse and repeat.

--Alex KR1ST

On 2021-01-19 08:56, Herb Krumich via VHFcontesting wrote:
> Jeff your spot onThis theory of everyone wanting a trophy is a
> jokeActually deters hams from making improvements in their
> station Stay SafeHerb at WA2FGK
>     On Tuesday, January 19, 2021, 12:22:50 AM EST, Jeff Kabel
> <kabelj@gmail.com> wrote:
>  I think that there are too many categories in the VHF contest. It
> makes it
> too easy to pick a category that doesn't have any competition and win,
> which doesn't seem that fun. I'd rather have a middle of the pack score
> than win without putting any effort in.
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