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Re: [VHFcontesting] Where Have All the Multi's Gone?

To: Dan Evans <k9zf@yahoo.com>, Dan Evans via VHFcontesting <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Where Have All the Multi's Gone?
From: Marshall Pochay <wd9exd@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:59:18 -0600 (CST)
List-post: <mailto:vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Hi Terry and everyone, Could someone tell me how these casual operators are 
abusing FT8 enough that we are not supposed to work them? I see a casual 
operator one that probably wont turn a log in but is just out there making 
contacts, They are doing us a favor by being out there, Take Joe KV4HV down in 
EL94, Nice guy, Doesn't contest but has no problem taking a phone call from me 
to remind him there is a vhf contest going on and gets on and gives out that 
grid. And Im not talking about him getting on for a few contacts I have seen 
him on for hours. Sorry, Far as I know he is only on ft8 and Im happy to work 
him there, I usually send out about 10 emails before a contest to new (Prior) 
ft8 contacts I have made inviting them out or on for the contest, I try to give 
them a quick explanation on contest mode but I dont really expect them to get 
it and have no problem working them in non contest mode.For years I see 
complaints about lack of activity, Now we have a chance at new contacts
into new grids and I see a suggestion that a core contest station shouldnt work 
them. Please give me a little more detail on what they are doing so wrong that 
I shouldnt work them? I only run 4 bands from the em57 qth, I find ft8 way more 
productive than ssb/cw unless of course 6 is open, I did manage to work 7 local 
stations on 2 fm this january but cant work my own em57 grid on 222 (LOL)I am 
lucky I have a good bunch of rovers running the 4 bands and we are covering the 
200 to 500 mile range mostly ft8. Yes not being able to move operators around 
with ft8 is a problem we need to address, And for that my 222 and 432 scores 
suffer but honestly for my qth I am actually seeing a better RATE on 6 and 2 
using ft8. In the old days I could call CQ for hours and not get a soul not to 
mention in bed by 11 and back up at 5 or 6 am, Now days thanks to Digital aka 
FT8 and MSK144 and maybe a little covid19, The EM57 station is active the full 
contest period, Yes I have to take a 4 hour nap,
But thats on me, I cant wait to see what this q65 is about, Thanks 73 Marshall 
> On 01/29/2021 8:12 PM Dan Evans via VHFcontesting 
> <vhfcontesting@contesting.com> wrote:
> Have to agree with the FT8 issues.  I actually love FT8.  It's great to work 
> amazing range with a small station.  But it kills me to work S5 stations on 
> FT8, after calling CQ on SSB with no takers...  I don't have an answer, but 
> if you want to make contacts in this area, you better work FT8...
> I hate to see the decline in multi ops as well.  It always seemed to me that 
> the "big guns" with the CQ machines going boosted activity.  I know there 
> seemed to be a big decline in this area when the W9ICE group disbanded.  Of 
> course, I haven't been very active in the last few years either.
> I'm hoping to make a comeback this year.  Although I may be doing more 
> portable "grid expeditions" than actual Rover trips.
> 73Dan K9ZF /R
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>     On Friday, January 29, 2021, 01:35:59 PM GMT-5, Dave <kdcarlso@gmail.com> 
> wrote:  
>  Sadly, if we don't resolve the FT8 issue I'm not sure the rover count will
> stay up either.
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