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Re: [WriteLog] Help with Spotting Please

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Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Help with Spotting Please
From: "Gary AL9A" <al9a@mtaonline.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:21:40 -0900
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Jerry,

Ok, now we know why I'm not a lawyer!  Prior to your post I did not even 
read the multi-op two-transmitter rules because I wasn't intending to 
operate in that classification.  However, in reading this section I notice 
"spotting" is not even mentioned.  Also I can find no verbiage in the rules 
that state a single-op entry using spotting will be reclassified as 
multi-op.

I do notice in Section 10 Exchange the last sentence states "The use of 
non-amateur radio means of communication, or amateur radio modes or bands 
different than those specified for the contest, to solicit contacts during 
the contest period is prohibited."  To me "...non-amateur radio means of 
communication.."  covers internet spots and would therefore be prohibited.

Returning to the original issue of spotting for single-op stations, I see 
where Section 5 a) i) does state that, "One person performs all 
transmitting, receiving, SPOTTING, and logging functions...".  Then section 
ii) muddies up the water by stating, "Access to SPOTTING information 
obtained from any source other than the station operator ... is 
prohibited..."  Clearly these rules were devised by someone with extensive 
experience in writing the federal tax code!

To my thick skull it makes no sense whatsoever to permit someone operating 
as a single-op to originate spots and then expect them to not use spots 
coming into their logging software from the internet.  As for single-ops 
generating spots to help multi-op stations, how is one to know which is a 
multi-op and which is a single-op station during the contest?  That info is 
not part of the exchange.  I agree if you know of a local multi-op station 
you may spot them and experience may lead you to assume that some big 
familiar stations are running as multi-op, but there is certainly no way to 
know for sure.

My bottom line is that the NAQP rules about spotting, how spots may or may 
not be used and how use of spotting may result in a reclassification of the 
log entry are clear as mud!  Surely someone familiar with the English 
language could write a  more concise, clear and unambiguous rule for 
interrelation by the masses!  Call my crazy, but if I'm not going to be 
allowed to use spots as a single-op I don't think the contest sponsors 
should expect that I will waste my time generating spots!

73,
Gary AL9A



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Bliss" <jerry.bliss@gmail.com>
To: <writelog@contesting.com>
Sent: January 19, 2009 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Help with Spotting Please


> Gary, I beg to differ with your interpretation of the "no spotting" rule 
> in
> NAQP (see your email, below).
>
> You quoted the part of the rules which applies to Single Op (SO) stations.
> Multi-Op stations
> are permitted to use spots.   I would point out that Single Ops who USE
> spots should be
> entered as a Multi-Op.  The contest adjudicators assure me that if you
> report in your cabrillo file
> that you are Single-Op, Assisted,  then they will redesignate your NAQP
> entry as Multi-Op.
>
> Now having said all that and to put a fine point on it,  the rule does not
> mean that a Single-Op entry
> is prohibited from sending out spots;  rather that the Single-Op is
> prohibited from USING SPOTS to
> find stations for his own use.  As a mater of fact, the SO might be
> motivated to spot in order to assist
> a Multi-Op station (say one in his club).  So it becomes a mater of "word 
> of
> honor" that the SO station
> reports the correct entry category.
>
> As always,  Gary, TNX for your unselfish efforts to assist here on this
> reflector.
>
> de Jerry, k6iii
>
> ===============================================
>
> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 15:25:22 -0900
> From: "Gary AL9A" <al9a@mtaonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Help with Spotting Please
>
>
> Spotting should not be a problem in NAQP contests.  According to the 
> contest
> rules, Section 5. a) ii) "Access to spotting information obtained directly
> or indirectly from any source other than the station operator, such as 
> from
> other stations or automated tools, is prohibited, except as follows:
> Technological methods of copying the information in the contest exchange 
> are
> permitted as long as they are entirely contained within the station."
>
> I interpret that to mean no use of packet or internet spotting clusters,
> such as VE7CC, is allowed.
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