So true Jim! I was so "lucky" to be chosen as an "Internal Auditor" three
hours a day wasted on auditing other departments resulting in me working extra
hours each day and weekends to do my real Engineering job. Did we make a
better product...No of course not, the only thing achieved was wasted $$$$$$.
Mike, K6BR
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From: Amps [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Jim Thomson
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 9:50 PM
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Subject: [Amps] FW: ?Power factor correction on tube amps
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2013 13:30:12 -0800
From: Bill Turner <dezrat1242@yahoo.com>
To: Amps <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] FW: ?Power factor correction on tube amps
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 14:21:13 -0500, George wrote:
>ISO9002 is not meant to be a quality program, simple put ISO9002 makes
>sure that you do what your polices and procedures say with no regard to
>quality.
REPLY:
No it doesn't. A company can qualify one day and ship junk the next. Or later
the same day.
That whole ISO thing is a scam put in place by gummints who want to create work
for their buddies. Bureaucratic nonsense.
The best assurance of quality products is a company that jealously guards its
reputation and will not tolerate shipping poor quality products.
Quality can not be imposed from outside.
73, Bill W6WRT
## ISO has nothing to do at all with quality, never did, never will. With
ISO, you get to set any standard
you so desire. All ISO means is.... you follow ur own guidelines for tracking
paperwork, that you set for yourself.
Our dept alone at the telco spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to become
iso certified. Tied up 19 of us for months on end.
## some idiot in EU stated this ISO scam. We all had to become iso certified,
or u were not allowed to even bid on govt contract jobs,
private sector jobs etc. Want to bid on a job installing some megabuck
switch board for the govt or the military.... u better be
ISO certified, or they will not accept your bid.
## a lot of small companies in both canada and the usa went broke from the iso
process. Some small company with less than 10 employees,
making widgets, would cough up a lot of dough to be certified, and gp broke
in the process. You are also handing out trade secrets to the iso
auditors in the process.
## Our dept took this iso crap way too seriously. meanwhile, one floor above
us, a different dept made real short work of the iso process.
I was in charge of all the test gear for our group. All the test gear had to
have calibration stickers etc. One floor above, they wrote their iso
test gear process as.... calibrate test gear whenever tech deems it required.
IE: never. Across town, their solution was to simply get rid of
85 % of their test gear. No test gear, gee, no more iso hassles.
## In the end, two big telco s merged....and the 2nd company never was iso
certified. To maintain our iso certification we would have to get the 2nd
compnay up to speed, and iso certified asap.... which would cost us millions
and millions, and 12 months to pull it off, and hundreds of people
involved. meanwhile, I can t get my real job done, since I have to piss
around for weeks on end, trying to get paperwork in order..to make some
iso auditor happy.
## The iso auditors were a joke, they had no clue how a big telco even works,
nor even seen the inside of one. As long as the paperwork was ok, u got
certified.
## ISO does have some merit though, it streamlined a lot of the paperwork.
In the end we implemented the best of the real iso ideas, dumped the rest,
and are no longer iso certified. most business in the end dropped their
requirements for telco s etc, to be iso certified. The true cost of iso
just ends up getting passed
on to the end user who buys the widgets.
## There are a LOT of companies that make pure junk...that are iso certified.
Initially, everyone was under the delusion that ISO = quality. Once that myth
was shot down, ISO has been relegated to the scrap heap..where it belongs.
## flip side is.... u could do the absolute bare minimum..and be iso
certified...and fool everyone.
Jim VE7RF
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