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Re: [RFI] Signals on 160

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Subject: Re: [RFI] Signals on 160
From: "Dave Cole (NK7Z)" <dave@nk7z.net>
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 16:25:51 -0700
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After killing the power in your home, and if you find you are not the cause of your RFI, the best advice here is to build a loop...

They are mindlessly simple to build, and if you keep things neat, and orderly, and use a bit of ferrite material on the feedline you will get very, very, deep nulls...

Once you have the loop working, play with it a bit, get used to it, then take it for a spin looking for your RFI...

Take a bearing on the null, draw that bearing on a Google sat view of your local area. Maybe a 15 block radius around your home.

Move a block and do it again, then move another block, and do it once more. If all three lines cross close to each other, then your RFI is probably close to there... If not, take more bearings, eventually you should see a pattern...

Listen in increasing frequency steps, as you approach, go up in frequency, and stay as high as you can and still hear the RFI.

Keep it below S8 on your receiver. When you get really close, get a 2 meter three element Yagi, and an aircraft receiver. Why an aircraft receiver? Because it does AM, and RFI really stands out in the AM mode...

Now take your three element Yagi, and use the skills you developed with the loop, and triangulate on the source again... That will get you closer... At some point you will know where the RFI is coming from...

At that point, I try and contact the person, (once I am dead sure), and in a nice, kind, non threatening way, bring up the fact that teh RFI is harming your reception. I always have a second ham with me, and I never enter a residence... I let the person know he/she can kill the power, and I can tell them if the issue ends...

Most folks will work with you if you take that approach... Don't threaten, don't tell them you will call the FCC on them, see if you can resolve it locally, in a friendly neighborly way...

But do take notes... Very copious notes, of everything that happens, how you located the RFI, what it is harming for you, what was discussed, etc. The FCC or the ARRL may at some point request your notes... Keep them devoid of emotion, just the facts.

If you are having issues still, then call the ARRL Lab and ask for Mike Gruber.

All of the above is assuming things are "normal" in locating your RFI, I have worked for weeks locating a single source in an area with underground wiring... The ARRL has a very good book on RFI, get that book.

I am now working with the ARRL on an issue that the friendly approach did not work on... The FCC is involved, and another ham contacted me a few days ago about his RFI, which turns out to be my RFI as well.

He is getting RFI at 20 over S9 on 40, and on every other band, I am getting RFI at 10 to 15 over S9, on 40, and some on most bands.

He is slightly closer to the source than I am. He is loosing the ability to even use his radio...

I trust the ARRL will work this out, but RFI takes time... I am coming up on a year now... Buckle up, and expect it to take some time.

To answer your question-- it is probably a SMPS, (Switching Mode Power Supply), hopefully in your own home, where you can just trash it.

Hope this helps...

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL OOC for Oregon

On 10/28/18 12:54 PM, Hare, Ed  W1RFI wrote:
"What is it?" is the wrong question. If someone said that it is a model Z-123 Netstuff 
modem, that really wouldn't help much.  The real question is: "Where is it?" Finding the 
house or location where the noise is originating is what you will get to eventually, so start with 
that question.

Many noisy devices can sound similar, so if someone tells you that it is a 
Z-123, and it is really a lighting ballast instead, you will be on a wild-goose 
chase.

Ed, W1RFI


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From: RFI [rfi-bounces@contesting.com] on behalf of donovanf@starpower.net 
[donovanf@starpower.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 3:04 PM
To: rfi@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [RFI] Signals on 160

Hi Gary,


Of course, the first thing you should do is turn off all of the AC
power -- including UPSs -- in your own home to determine if any
of the RFI disappears.



I don't think anyone will be doing you a favor by helping you guess
what these signals might be. By far the best way to determine what
they are is to build -- or if necessary buy -- a simple small loop antenna.
A loop antenna has a deep, narrow azimuth null off of each side of
the antenna that allows to quickly identify the RFI source.


Good luck!


73
Frank
W3LPL

----- Original Message -----

From: "Gary Smith" <Gary@ka1j.com>
To: rfi@contesting.com
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 5:31:51 PM
Subject: [RFI] Signals on 160

I've been encountering some strong signals
on 160 recently. I made some approximate
guesses at the frequency using the P3
markers to measure them. Here's the
signals at 1:20PM local time with a center
frequency of 1.848.67

The main signals are about 42 KHz apart.
The lesser spikes in-between appear at
somewhat regular intervals.

http://doctorgary.net/spikes-on-p3.jpg

Here's the measured values of the main
signals

http://doctorgary.net/frequencies.jpg


Any idea what might be the source of
signals spaced like this?

73,

Gary
KA1J
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