Now if that's serious, I wonder if a neighbor has a Class D audio amplifier.
Some are known to put out some nasty noise onto the speaker leads.
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From: RFI <rfi-bounces+w1rfi=arrl.org@contesting.com> on behalf of Michael
Martin <mike@rfiservices.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2022 11:51 AM
To: nk7z@arrl.net <dave@nk7z.net>
Cc: Rfi List <rfi@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [RFI] Another Solar Panel RFI System
I'm trying to capture a noise with the intermittency rhythm in sync with
Christmas music
Michael Martin
RFI Services
51 W Bay Front Rd
Lothian, MD 20711
240-508-3760
mike@rfiservices.com
www.rfiservices.com<http://www.rfiservices.com>
On Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:27 AM Dave (NK7Z) <dave@nk7z.net> wrote:
> Too early, Wife is sound asleep, and I am listening to RFI... ;) Merry
> Christmas back at you!! :)
>
> 73, and thanks,
> Dave (NK7Z)
> https://www.nk7z.net
> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
>
> On 12/25/22 07:24, Michael Martin wrote:
> > Merry Christmas to everybody
> >
> > You guys need to get a life it's Christmas Day. I bet your spouses are
> > sitting there looking at you like, thinking the same thing I just typed!
> >
> > Michael Martin
> > RFI Services
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 25, 2022, 10:18 AM Steve London <n2icarrl@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From
> >>
> >>
> https://www.livescience.com/33039-why-do-mattresses-have-do-not-remove-tags.html
> >>
> >> In the 1990s, in an effort to clear up the confusion, the tag's warning
> was
> >> officially changed to "Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Law Except by the
> >> Consumer."
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Steve, N2IC
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 25, 2022 at 8:13 AM Dave (NK7Z) <dave@nk7z.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Dale,
> >>>
> >>> For the most part that is not going to work well... No matter how much
> >>> you talk to your next door neighbor if you interfere with their <insert
> >>> device name here>, it is almost always your fault in their minds...
> >>> The logic goes like this:
> >>>
> >>> "I have a <insert device name here>, it works 99% of the time, but when
> >>> you transmit it does not work..."
> >>>
> >>> How do you think most people are going to react to that situation...
> So
> >>> as Amateurs, we start out handicapped, because the consumer is not
> >>> educated in how RFI responsibility is parsed out. The consumer is sure
> >>> it is you, not them...
> >>>
> >>> Now lets reverse the victim status...
> >>>
> >>> The consumer installs a multi thousand dollar <insert device name
> here>:
> >>>
> >>> "I paid thousands to to install this, and had professionals install
> >>> it... I bought it from a manufacturer we all know and love. It can't
> >>> be my equipment..."
> >>>
> >>> Again-- education of the consumer is the driver here. If the consumer
> >>> is happy, and the system is in place, the Amateur is already behind the
> >>> 8-Ball, and again, the Amateur is handicapped as a result of lack of
> >>> education on the consumers part, with regards to parsing RFI
> >>> responsibility.
> >>>
> >>> This places an installer, or manufacturer, in the position of telling
> >>> the consumer that their newly installed multi thousand dollar widget,
> >>> may interfere with the amateur next door, and they, (the consumer),
> will
> >>> have to pay more to fix the issue...
> >>>
> >>> Again, the consumer is going to whine about this state of affairs, and
> >>> neither the the manufacture, or the vendor, are going to tell the
> >>> consumer this, as they may lose the sale... Again, education issues
> for
> >>> the consumer, and maybe penalty's for the vendor if they don't tell the
> >>> consumer might help...
> >>>
> >>> Until the consumer, not the Amateur, is directly affected by RFI, the
> >>> RFI nightmare we all live in, (if we are a city), will continue.
> >>>
> >>> Part of the RFI "fix" MUST include education beyond the Part 15, or 18,
> >>> stickers on equipment to consumers... The consumer views these
> stickers
> >>> like the tags on mattresses that say "DO NOT REMOVE UNDER PENALTY OF
> >>> LAW", they are ignored, and removed, for the most part.
> >>>
> >>> I really don't see how this will get solved in my lifetime... At 70, I
> >>> have perhaps 15 to 20, (if I am lucky), years left...
> >>>
> >>> It will take that long just to cycle out most of the old gear, if a
> >>> mandate were to be put in place today.
> >>>
> >>> I applaud the efforts of the ARRL, the only way to work this issue is
> to
> >>> educate everyone involved, and get standards in place...
> >>>
> >>> Maybe the next generation of hams will see less RFI...
> >>>
> >>> With regards to contracts... You are dead correct Dale!
> >>>
> >>> I was lucky, I got my HVAC installer to put in his contract that if RFI
> >>> were to occur at a level I was not happy with, they would fix the
> issue,
> >>> or remove and replace the HVAC system. I doubt I could get that
> >>> concession again today... No RFI, occurred however, as we discussed
> >>> this with the vendor prior to install, (no PWM motors were used), and
> >>> the vendor contacted the manufacturer BEFORE starting on the project.
> >>>
> >>> What next door neighbor is going to tell a vendor, you had better be
> >>> ready to charge me more, if the ham next door complains...
> >>>
> >>> Consumers MUST be educated about RFI responsibilities, as part of an
> >>> overall fix, if RFI is to be reduced...
> >>>
> >>> 73, and thanks,
> >>> Dave (NK7Z)
> >>> https://www.nk7z.net
> >>> ARRL Volunteer Examiner
> >>> ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
> >>> ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources
> >>>
> >>> On 12/25/22 01:04, Dale wrote:
> >>>> so it would seem that we hams try to work with our neighbors to
> >> minimize
> >>> the problems from their systems
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