Sheesh, Carl!! I doubt if the ARRL desk is gonna, or even should, weigh in on
something they'd have no control over OR would have even an inkling of what
went on to cause them to question it!
First off, last time I looked, the QSL sent and received is between the sender,
in this case me, and the receiver/replyee, the DX bubba AND, most importantly,
is based on the notion that both are telling the truth!!!! How in the hell
would/could the DXCC question that??? They gonna think we both are lying???
NOW, in the case of suspected "cheating" - me submitting a QSL card, as part of
my DXCC 160 package submission for a QSO on 160 between K9JWV and PT0S at 1700Z
on any day of the year - I could see them saying "Prove it"! Hi Hi
I am FASCINATED by your mention of a "Prove it, Dood" via requesting an audio
tape of a QSO for validation!! Wow!!
72, Jim R. K9JWV
> From: km1h@jeremy.mv.com
> To: rodenkirch_llc@msn.com; bernie@dailydx.com
> CC: ve5ra@sasktel.net; topband@contesting.com; herbs@vitelcom.net
> Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after!
> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 20:03:05 -0500
>
> I would think that the ultimate decision is up to the ARRL DXCC desk.
> In the past if it wasnt in the log it didnt count....period...no matter who
> was before or after. Expecting an operator to remember a mistake months
> later...or his QSL manager....is a stretch.
>
> This brought about many decades ago of making a tape copy (that shows its
> age) whenever a new one was worked and a few times having to present it to
> the DXCC desk to obtain credit.
>
> Im not saying you both didnt do a full legitimate exchange, dont get me
> wrong there.
>
> Perhaps someone from the DXCC desk can weigh in.
>
> Carl
> KM1H
>
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "James Rodenkirch" <rodenkirch_llc@msn.com>
> To: "Bernie McClenny, W3UR" <bernie@dailydx.com>; "KM1H Carl"
> <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
> Cc: "Doug Renwick" <ve5ra@sasktel.net>; "Top Band Contesting"
> <topband@contesting.com>; "KV4FZ Herb" <herbs@vitelcom.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after!
>
>
> As Bernie says, "Mistakes happen."
> Just to re-iterate --- they DID copy my call correctly!! I heard them come
> back to me with K9JWV 599! THAT's why I put in the log.
> I wouldn't have logged the QSO if he came back "K9JJV 599"!!! I'd still be
> there calling them!! Hi HiI'm ok with the notion it's not a valid QSO IF
> they got my call wrong in the exchange, which they didn't! Them mucking up
> my call entry in the log is a different matter.
> 72, Jim R. K9JWV
>
>
>
> > From: bernie@dailydx.com
> > Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:29:18 -0500
> > To: zr@jeremy.mv.com
> > CC: herbs@vitelcom.net; topband@contesting.com; ve5ra@sasktel.net
> > Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
> > after!
> >
> > Like I said - mistakes happen. If the guy who made the mistake realizes
> > he did so and is will to correct the error that is nothing wrong with
> > that.
> > Bernie
> >
> > Bernie McClenny, W3UR
> > Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX?
> > Two week trial - http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm
> > https://twitter.com/dailydx
> > 410-489-6518
> >
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, ZR <zr@jeremy.mv.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ive always been under the impression that both calls have to be sent,
> > > received, and verified to count for DXCC and other awards. QSO's on 160
> > > are no different than EME when it comes to verification.
> > > Unless an audio recording (SSB/CW) is kept to verify a mistake was made
> > > in the log the result is still a busted call which also gets deleted
> > > during contest log checking.
> > >
> > > Am I wrong here?
> > >
> > > Carl
> > > KM1H
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernie McClenny, W3UR"
> > > <bernie@dailydx.com>
> > > To: "Doug Renwick" <ve5ra@sasktel.net>
> > > Cc: "Topband reflector" <topband@contesting.com>; "KV4FZ Herb"
> > > <herbs@vitelcom.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:08 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
> > > after!
> > >
> > >
> > > Ugh - Let me go on the record as saying I don’t like this idea and I
> > > wish this can of worms was not opened! Thankfully US stations (and
> > > hopefully others) no longer have second (personal) calls. Yes we have
> > > club calls, but thankfully those QSOs will not count for ones personal
> > > DXCC records. I’ve been on DXpeditions and had guys download all their
> > > calls on me (on each band and band mode!), taking away the opportunity
> > > for other Deserving DXers to get into the log. Yes I realize sometimes
> > > the DXpedition or DX operator makes a mistake and I have been burned
> > > once or twice over the years, not at the fault of my own but by the
> > > other guy in the QSO. I much prefer K9JWV’s method by noting in my log
> > > the previous or next QSO.
> > >
> > > Flame retardant suit on!
> > >
> > > 73
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > Bernie McClenny, W3UR
> > >
> >
> > _________________
> > Topband Reflector
>
> _________________
> Topband Reflector
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Rodenkirch" <rodenkirch_llc@msn.com>
> To: "Bernie McClenny, W3UR" <bernie@dailydx.com>; "KM1H Carl"
> <km1h@jeremy.mv.com>
> Cc: "Doug Renwick" <ve5ra@sasktel.net>; "Top Band Contesting"
> <topband@contesting.com>; "KV4FZ Herb" <herbs@vitelcom.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after!
>
>
> As Bernie says, "Mistakes happen."
> Just to re-iterate --- they DID copy my call correctly!! I heard them come
> back to me with K9JWV 599! THAT's why I put in the log.
> I wouldn't have logged the QSO if he came back "K9JJV 599"!!! I'd still be
> there calling them!! Hi HiI'm ok with the notion it's not a valid QSO IF
> they got my call wrong in the exchange, which they didn't! Them mucking up
> my call entry in the log is a different matter.
> 72, Jim R. K9JWV
>
>
>
> > From: bernie@dailydx.com
> > Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:29:18 -0500
> > To: zr@jeremy.mv.com
> > CC: herbs@vitelcom.net; topband@contesting.com; ve5ra@sasktel.net
> > Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
> > after!
> >
> > Like I said - mistakes happen. If the guy who made the mistake realizes
> > he did so and is will to correct the error that is nothing wrong with
> > that.
> > Bernie
> >
> > Bernie McClenny, W3UR
> > Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX?
> > Two week trial - http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm
> > https://twitter.com/dailydx
> > 410-489-6518
> >
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, ZR <zr@jeremy.mv.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ive always been under the impression that both calls have to be sent,
> > > received, and verified to count for DXCC and other awards. QSO's on 160
> > > are no different than EME when it comes to verification.
> > > Unless an audio recording (SSB/CW) is kept to verify a mistake was made
> > > in the log the result is still a busted call which also gets deleted
> > > during contest log checking.
> > >
> > > Am I wrong here?
> > >
> > > Carl
> > > KM1H
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernie McClenny, W3UR"
> > > <bernie@dailydx.com>
> > > To: "Doug Renwick" <ve5ra@sasktel.net>
> > > Cc: "Topband reflector" <topband@contesting.com>; "KV4FZ Herb"
> > > <herbs@vitelcom.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:08 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
> > > after!
> > >
> > >
> > > Ugh - Let me go on the record as saying I don’t like this idea and I
> > > wish this can of worms was not opened! Thankfully US stations (and
> > > hopefully others) no longer have second (personal) calls. Yes we have
> > > club calls, but thankfully those QSOs will not count for ones personal
> > > DXCC records. I’ve been on DXpeditions and had guys download all their
> > > calls on me (on each band and band mode!), taking away the opportunity
> > > for other Deserving DXers to get into the log. Yes I realize sometimes
> > > the DXpedition or DX operator makes a mistake and I have been burned
> > > once or twice over the years, not at the fault of my own but by the
> > > other guy in the QSO. I much prefer K9JWV’s method by noting in my log
> > > the previous or next QSO.
> > >
> > > Flame retardant suit on!
> > >
> > > 73
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > Bernie McClenny, W3UR
> > >
> >
> > _________________
> > Topband Reflector
>
> _________________
> Topband Reflector
>
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Rodenkirch" <rodenkirch_llc@msn.com>
> To: "Bernie McClenny, W3UR" <bernie@dailydx.com>; "KM1H Carl"
> <zr@jeremy.mv.com>
> Cc: "Doug Renwick" <ve5ra@sasktel.net>; "Top Band Contesting"
> <topband@contesting.com>; "KV4FZ Herb" <herbs@vitelcom.net>
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and after!
>
>
> As Bernie says, "Mistakes happen."
> Just to re-iterate --- they DID copy my call correctly!! I heard them come
> back to me with K9JWV 599! THAT's why I put in the log.
> I wouldn't have logged the QSO if he came back "K9JJV 599"!!! I'd still be
> there calling them!! Hi HiI'm ok with the notion it's not a valid QSO IF
> they got my call wrong in the exchange, which they didn't! Them mucking up
> my call entry in the log is a different matter.
> 72, Jim R. K9JWV
>
>
>
> > From: bernie@dailydx.com
> > Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 15:29:18 -0500
> > To: zr@jeremy.mv.com
> > CC: herbs@vitelcom.net; topband@contesting.com; ve5ra@sasktel.net
> > Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
> > after!
> >
> > Like I said - mistakes happen. If the guy who made the mistake realizes
> > he did so and is will to correct the error that is nothing wrong with
> > that.
> > Bernie
> >
> > Bernie McClenny, W3UR
> > Editor of The Daily DX, The Weekly DX and How's DX?
> > Two week trial - http://www.dailydx.com/trial.htm
> > https://twitter.com/dailydx
> > 410-489-6518
> >
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2013, at 8:46 AM, ZR <zr@jeremy.mv.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ive always been under the impression that both calls have to be sent,
> > > received, and verified to count for DXCC and other awards. QSO's on 160
> > > are no different than EME when it comes to verification.
> > > Unless an audio recording (SSB/CW) is kept to verify a mistake was made
> > > in the log the result is still a busted call which also gets deleted
> > > during contest log checking.
> > >
> > > Am I wrong here?
> > >
> > > Carl
> > > KM1H
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernie McClenny, W3UR"
> > > <bernie@dailydx.com>
> > > To: "Doug Renwick" <ve5ra@sasktel.net>
> > > Cc: "Topband reflector" <topband@contesting.com>; "KV4FZ Herb"
> > > <herbs@vitelcom.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:08 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Topband: Don't give up AND log who worked the DX b4 and
> > > after!
> > >
> > >
> > > Ugh - Let me go on the record as saying I don’t like this idea and I
> > > wish this can of worms was not opened! Thankfully US stations (and
> > > hopefully others) no longer have second (personal) calls. Yes we have
> > > club calls, but thankfully those QSOs will not count for ones personal
> > > DXCC records. I’ve been on DXpeditions and had guys download all their
> > > calls on me (on each band and band mode!), taking away the opportunity
> > > for other Deserving DXers to get into the log. Yes I realize sometimes
> > > the DXpedition or DX operator makes a mistake and I have been burned
> > > once or twice over the years, not at the fault of my own but by the
> > > other guy in the QSO. I much prefer K9JWV’s method by noting in my log
> > > the previous or next QSO.
> > >
> > > Flame retardant suit on!
> > >
> > > 73
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > Bernie McClenny, W3UR
> > >
> >
> > _________________
> > Topband Reflector
>
> _________________
> Topband Reflector
>
>
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