On Tue,8/19/2014 7:08 PM, Tom W8JI wrote:
 Radials under the vertical antenna have virtually no effect on wave 
angle unless they are sparse and grossly unbalanced, allowing them to 
radiate like a low horizontal antenna.
 Radials change the efficiency, not the pattern, unless the radials 
radiate like a dipole. 
 
On Wed,8/20/2014 9:05 AM, Tom W8JI wrote:
 This is because the "often poorly understood" Fresnel zone extends far 
beyond practical radial field area, and virtually all of the ground 
wave attenuation from soil losses is miles from the antenna over the 
entire long length of a path. It is not localized loss. 
 
I agree completely with both of Tom's posts.
73, Jim K9YC
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