Hi All
This FT8 discussion is fascinating really. It harkens me to remember the
origins of the current ARRL 160M bandplan that we try to follow today on
Topband.
A number of us (myself included) were on the 160M ARRL BANDPLANNING COMMITTEE
some years ago and there were several schools of thought that took place at the
time:
1) A few of us (myself, W4ZV and K1KI (I think) favored a true CW sub-band on
160M as we have always had in place on the upper bands like 80/40/20/15/10.
2) However, the CHARTER of the ARRL committee was determined NOT to be
inclusive of a formal petition to the FCC to establish true, formal sub-bands
on 160M.
3) INSTEAD - the current bandplan was what was adopted which placed digital
where it presently resides - as I recall it was on 1838 and not on 1840 by the
way.
4) When those of us favoring FCC action on the matter inquired about CONTESTS -
(especially those on SINGLE SIDEBAND) - we were told that 160M spectrum would
"FLEX" to accommodate what would be SSB activity down to 1803 here in the USA
and above 1813 over in EU since the lower band edge is 1810 over in Region 1
In other words, if this is not cyrstal clear - it was EXPECTED that SSB would penetrate
below 1842 during an SSB contest - and that CW would "FLEX" over the band
segments that were usually considered for DIGITAL and SSB modes.during a competitive
operating event.
In actual practice this has worked reasonably well - until the rise of the
interest in FT8 - where some folks seem to think now that 1838-1840 is somehow
INVIOLATE. This is an INCORRECT assumption in my opinion.
No one 'owns" a band segment on 160M under what is a VOLUNTARY BANDPLAN - and the band
segments do "flex" in contests when there is so much activity to warrant the overlap
that naturally occurs.
It is also an illusory assumption to believe that since the 160m band goes all
the way to 2000khz that all space on Topband is of equivalent VALUE during a
contest event. Europe, for example, cannot operate below 1810 and most European
countries cannot run FULL POWER above 1850Khz. Also some countries in EU today
still are limited to narrow band slots from 1810 to 1830 or from 1810 to only
1850.. So it is quite LIKELY that during a contest event there is going to be
a lot of operation around 1838-1842 and it is not likely to be FT8 either.if
the contest is a CW event or an SSB event.
What needs to happen (and usually does)is that after these contests are
completed, the band FLEXES again back to our more normal, accepted conventions
- meaning that CW is usually occurring from 1810 - 1835 or so (not by a rule -
but just by gentleman's bandplanning convention) and that SSB usually occurs
above 1843 or so.
On a final note - W4ZV and I authored a FORMAL FCC petition after our 160M
Bandplan service was completed and over 1000 amateurs worldwide filed
supportive comments. What we asked the FCC to do was create a TRUE CW sub-band
on 160M from 1800 to 1835 or so here in the USA as I recall - but in the end
Bill Cross at the FCC ridiculed the petition and the FCC denied it out of hand
- which meant that what we have in place today is the VOLUNTARY 160M ARRL
BANDPLAN that we now follow - and we all need to understand that NO BAND
SEGMENT on 160M is reserved for anyone or any mode. Here in the US, CW is
authorized from 1800-2000 inclusive as is SSB - what we all usually do is try
to respect what we have as a bandplan MOST OF THE TIME and not complain when a
contest comes along.
BY THE WAY - here's one for you. I recently witnessed an HL5IVL digital qso
where the HL5 was on FT8 around 1820 (because his 160M band was limited to 1825
and below) and the counterparty on this same qso was on 1840 or so on FT8. I
do nope we do not see too much of this kind of event - this one was
understandable given the band restrictions in Korea.- but it would concern me
to find FT8 all over the band all the time - because that would (most likely)
create a lot of food fights going forward.
At the end of the day - we must respect that 160M is a most UNUSUAL band and
there are no really HARD ans FAST inviolate sub-bands in the traditional sense
that we find on the higher bands.
Personally - I am not an FT8 user - but I respect the rights of others to use
this new mode. We cannot hold back technology here - that never works very
well - but we do need to understand the need to be FLEXIBLE - especially during
competitive operating events (eg: contests).
73 JEFF K1ZM/VY2ZM
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Sawyer <sawyered@earthlink.net>
To: topband <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 7:44 pm
Subject: Re: Topband: FT8 qrm
I'm sorry but I don't buy the argument that the way to be a "gentleman" is
to accept everyone else's interests above your own. A "gentleman" is
respectful of others and treats others as he/she wants to be treated.
No one owns a frequency channel at least in the US - read your license.
If I come on a frequency, hear nothing, ask QRL using a legal and accepted
mode for the frequency and hear nothing, I am using the frequency. By the
way - even the ARRL admits there is no longer a "DX Window" on 160M.
If FT8 is such a fragile mode to QRM that it needs a 2khz undisturbed
window, then it is a flawed mode that will not stand the test of time in my
opinion. I am already starting to hear DX side people saying it's a
complete waste of time and abandoning it. I hear 3Y is going to try it -
that should be hilarious.
I think that most of the FT8 crowd is horribly misinformed with dribble they
read on the internet and think that some "net authority" has granted
exclusive access to said frequency band and that they have had such right
since June.
Look for me on 1840 in the ARRL 160 this weekend after listening, asking
QRL, and seeing if I am disturbing anyone in my 400hz receiving window.
73
Ed N1UR
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