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Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square

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Subject: Re: Topband: cutting coax stubs for 80 meter 4-square
From: terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net>
Reply-to: terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:01:12 -0700 (PDT)
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All's well that ends well I'm happy to report. K2AV, Guy suggested I check the 
SO-239 on the Rig Experts AA-170 and I found an open solder joint between the 
back of the connector and the circuit board. Even with my close in glasses and 
a magnifying glass it was hard to be certain. So a little solder and 
'hop-a-long' rides again! It's working. Will check out the coax stub again to 
see what the RE reads now.

Thanks Guy!

Terry
KI7M

> On June 9, 2018 at 10:42 PM terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi guys and gals,
> 
> 
> Well, to make a long story short my Rig Experts AA-170 has quite working. 
> Looks normal but a 56 ohm resistor at the end of the 75 ohm coax reads 
> infinite. On the MFJ-259b it reads 56 ohms. Check SWR and the MFJ reads 
> 7.499.2 Mhz 1.1:1 SWR R=56/57 ohms X=0. Coax is 55' 4 3/8" long when I got 
> very near 7500 KHz. With the shorted coax the MFJ-259b read 7.484.2 to 7.523 
> Mhz, 20.2 SWR, R=2 ohms, X=0. Seems like the velocity factor is considerably 
> higher than what was stated to me by DX Eng.. The velocity factor is some 
> where around 0.84401... as best I can figure it. So I guess that makes it 
> 0.84 VF FWIW.
> 
> 
> Anyway, I have it figured that 55' 4 3/8" will do the trick for my 80 meter 
> 4-Square at 3.750 Mhz. 
> 
> But why my RE analyzer went out today I don't have any idea. Back to the MFJ!
> 
> 
> Terry
> 
> KI7M
> 
> 
> > On June 9, 2018 at 6:59 PM terry burge wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >     Good point Wes. I will see if I can find a decent value of resistor. My 
> > Rig Experts AA-170 was purchased because I did not trust the readings my 
> > MFJ-259b was giving me while working on my hytower. Pretty penny for these 
> > antenna analyzers. But I will bet if it won't do the stub frequency checks 
> > it won't do the velocity factor and more. Did work pretty good for checking 
> > SWR and feedpoint impedance on antennas like the hytower. Really liked it 
> > until this.
> > 
> > 
> >     Terry
> > 
> >     KI7M
> > 
> >         > > On June 9, 2018 at 5:11 PM Wes Stewart wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >         Since he said the coax was 75-ohm, a 75-ohm termination would be 
> > > better.
> > > 
> > > 
> > >         On 6/9/2018 5:07 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote:
> > >         > > As a sanity check, terminate the coax with a 50 ohm resistor 
> > > and verify
> > > 
> > >             > > > that you have good coax. Flat line at 1:1 SWR, etc.
> > > > 
> > > >             Rick N6RK
> > > > 
> > > >             On 6/9/2018 4:57 PM, terry burge wrote:
> > > >             > > > I don't know what is wrong here but I keep getting in 
> > > > this situation where my
> > > > 
> > > >                 > > > > typing starts running back over my writing. I 
> > > > will try again to reply.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                 Joel,
> > > > > 
> > > > >                 I have tried all that the manual says without 
> > > > > success. All I see is the
> > > > >                 horizontal solid and dashed lines of R and X. No 
> > > > > indication of a resonance
> > > > >                 point anywhere from 1880 KHz up to 10,500 KHz. Go 
> > > > > figure? At least my
> > > > >                 mfj-259b is working old as it may be. Rig Experts is 
> > > > > going to get a nasty
> > > > >                 note I think. Disappointing, huh?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                 Terry
> > > > > 
> > > > >                 KI7M
> > > > >                 > > > > On June 9, 2018 at 2:54 PM Joel Harrison 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     > > > > > Hi Terry,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                     I replaced the 1/4 lines on my 80 meter 4 
> > > > > > square this past fall and used
> > > > > >                     my AA-170 to set the length with no problem.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                     Just select "all" for the mode and set the freq 
> > > > > > you're aiming for and then
> > > > > >                     trim the line until X equals zero with the far 
> > > > > > end open. Should work fine.
> > > > > >                     I always calculate the length x VF then add a 
> > > > > > few feet to start.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                     73 Joel W5ZN > > Hi guys and gals,
> > > > > >                     >
> > > > > >                     >
> > > > > >                     > > > > > I have got DX Engineering 75 ohm foam 
> > > > > > coax to make the
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         > > > > > > stubs/feeders for
> > > > > > >                         my Comtek 80 meter 4-Square and am 
> > > > > > > finding some difficulty.
> > > > > > >                         Neither my
> > > > > > >                         MFJ-259B nor my Rig Experts AA-170 seem 
> > > > > > > to indicate a 1/2 WL at
> > > > > > >                         7500 KHz
> > > > > > >                         or a 1/4 WL at 3750 KHz? Or any frequency 
> > > > > > > up or down from there.
> > > > > > >                         Seems to
> > > > > > >                         me the last time I did this a few years 
> > > > > > > ago I didn't have a problem
> > > > > > >                         getting a 1/2 WL dip indicating a 
> > > > > > > resonance location. But now I
> > > > > > >                         just don't
> > > > > > >                         get any indication of a resonance.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                         DX Engineering said they had got some 75 
> > > > > > > ohm foam coax that
> > > > > > >                         instead of
> > > > > > >                         0.84 VF was more like 0.80 down to 0.76 
> > > > > > > VF. But checking all the
> > > > > > >                         way down
> > > > > > >                         to 6000 KHz on 40 meters or 2500 KHz on 
> > > > > > > 80 meters fails.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                         My test is to use either antenna analyzer 
> > > > > > > with a PL-259 installed
> > > > > > >                         at one
> > > > > > >                         end and an open or a short at the other. 
> > > > > > > I started with 57'7" of
> > > > > > >                         coax.
> > > > > > >                         Tried both with the coax in a roll and 
> > > > > > > strung out. What am I doing
> > > > > > >                         wrong?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                         Terry
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                         KI7M
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >                         😞
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